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InvisibleGreat_Satan
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Are Canadian Hospitals really like this?
    #3420998 - 11/28/04 10:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Are Canadian Hospitals really like this?


Fuck it man, u just don't get it do u...
have u ever been to an ER ward in Montreal ?
I don't know about other places but first they
make u wait for at least 8 hours in Triage...
then they dump u in a stretcher indefinitely
and if u complain to much they strap u down and
restrain u....even if u keep shitting in your gown...
They don't give a fuck... I was in so much pain once from
a bladder infection I
started yelling involuntarily and they put me in the psych ward.
I begged a nurse to call the doctor and she told me "where do
u think u are ?... a spa ?"
I speak from experience... NOT ONCE BUT 3 FUCKING TIMES !
and I called 911 everytime...
never mind...forget it...
you're right, pointless posting on this board, just venting...
sorry...
all is well...
live your happy chearful lives and continue with the intellectual
masturbation...


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3421013 - 11/28/04 10:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

there are waits but I think that maybe the author is angry that people that were dying were getting ahead of him in line.

he should have been sedated or given something for the pain

note: I was born in Montreal general :smile:


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: blink]
    #3421375 - 11/29/04 12:10 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

When I get Explosive diarrhea I make poting on the shroomery top of my priority list.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3421465 - 11/29/04 12:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard that in some of the bigger cities there can be very long waits for ER visits.

However you have to realize that a lot of Canadians use the ER instead of their family doctor if they are sick with a cold/flu or something. This tends to clog up the ER waiting room. The policy in all hospitals here is that you are seen in order of NEED, not in the order you arrived. So if I go to the hospital because I'm sick with the squirts, I can expect to wait a lot longer than someone who comes in with a broken bone or especially anything immediately life-threatening. If your life is in immediate danger, you will be the first one in (along with anyone else in immediate danger).

If people here would stop relying on ER visits when they get a cold, there would probably be much less of a wait.

Personally, I have NEVER waited longer than 1 hour in a ER waiting room. I've also never been in with any life-threatening injuries.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3421638 - 11/29/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)


continue with the intellectual masturbation...

I'm probably the only person who will admit this, but intellectual masturbation is great fun.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: trendal]
    #3422308 - 11/29/04 09:13 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

trendal writes:

However you have to realize that a lot of Canadians use the ER instead of their family doctor if they are sick with a cold/flu or something.

One reason so many Canadians do this is that it in many Canadian cities it is damn near impossible to find a family doctor willing to accept new patients. It is no secret in Canada that the shortage of health care professionals has been approaching the crisis stage for almost a decade now.

Socialized medicine is the single biggest problem facing Canada today, and has been for decades.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Phred]
    #3426480 - 11/30/04 03:41 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think they should implement a user fee at walk in clinics to clean out the mother of four dragging her kids with the sniffles to the clinic. As for the ER being used for non emergency problems: they can take a fucking hike.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3426624 - 11/30/04 05:03 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like a good demonstration as to why you should always keep powerful painkillers on hand at all times.

Don't count on the doctor giving you some when you need it.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #3426922 - 11/30/04 09:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

As for the ER being used for non emergency problems: they can take a fucking hike.

Exactly. If you are going to the hospital EMERGENCY ROOM for NON-EMERGENCY problems...you should EXPECT to wait in line.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: trendal]
    #3428742 - 11/30/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I saw something in the news about a month ago about Canadian doctors moving to the USA to make more money. This was one of the reasons they have a doctors shortage.

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All the major candidates in Canada's recent national election acknowledged that the country's health-care system is failing Canadians.
The common prescription, however, was just to spread more taxpayer money on it ? the usual nostrum of socialism. In the end, no major candidate had the political courage to tell the truth about the ailing Canadian system.

Indeed, on the other side of the border, Americans such as Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Seattle, fantasize about importing the Canadian health-care dream to the U.S. so that every citizen has comparable "equal access" to medical care.

But more and more Canadians are awakening ? not from a dream, but from a nightmare. The results are coming in. After years of government control, the medical system is badly injured and bleeding citizens' hard-earned tax dollars.

A study recently released by the Fraser Institute in Vancouver, B.C., compared industrialized countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) that strive to provide universal health-care access. Among those countries, Canada spends most on its system while ranking among the lowest in such indicators as access to physicians, quality of medical equipment and key health outcomes.

One of the major reasons for this discrepancy is that, unlike other countries in the study that outperformed Canada ? such as Sweden, Japan, Australia and France ? Canada outlaws most private health care. If the government says it provides a medical service, it's illegal for a Canadian citizen to pay for and get the service privately.

At the same time, to try to keep spending down, the government chips away at the number and variety of covered services. According to another Fraser Institute survey, this means that on average a patient must wait in line 17.7 weeks for hospital treatment.

In 1999, Dr. Richard F. Davies described how delays affected Ontario heart patients scheduled for coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery. In a single year, just for this one operation, 71 Ontario patients died before surgery, "121 were removed from the list permanently because they had become medically unfit for surgery" and 44 left the province to have their CABG surgery elsewhere, often in the U.S.

In other words, 192 people either died or were too sick to have surgery before they worked their way to the front of the waiting line. Yet, the Ontario population of about 12 million is only 4 percent of the population of the United States.

In an article in the journal Health Affairs, Robert Blendon describes an international survey of hospital administrators in Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, the U.S. and Canada. When asked for the average waiting time for biopsy of a possible breast cancer in a 50-year-old woman, 21 percent of administrators of Canadian hospitals said more than three weeks; only 1 percent of American hospital administrators gave the same answer.

Fifty percent of the Canadian hospital administrators said the average waiting time for a 65-year-old man who requires a routine hip replacement was more than six months; in contrast, not one American hospital administrator reported waiting periods that long. Eighty-six percent of American hospital administrators said the average waiting time was shorter than three weeks; only 3 percent of Canadian hospital administrators said their patients have this brief a wait.

Canadian physicians' frustration with their inability to provide quality and timely care is resulting in a brain drain. A doctor shortage looms as the nation falls 500 doctors a year short of the 2,500 new physicians it needs, according to Sally C. Pipes, president of the San Francisco-based Pacific Research Institute.

Another casualty of the lengthy waiting periods is Canada's much-vaunted equal access to medical treatment. Even though medical emergencies allow some people to jump ahead in the waiting line ? making others wait longer ? a survey published in the Annals of Internal Medicine medical journal found that more than 90 percent of heart specialists had "been involved in the care of a patient who received preferential access" to cardiac care because of non-medical reasons including the patient's social standing or personal connections with the treating physician.

The Canadian system works fine for minor problems, but danger lies ahead as baby boomers age and more serious illnesses afflict them. Call it "Canadazation," the myth of high-quality, "free" care. Its real costs in human suffering are ones that U.S. proponents don't want you to know about.

Dr. Robert J. Cihak, of Kirkland, is a senior fellow and board member of the Discovery Institute and a past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3430772 - 12/01/04 02:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yes lots seem to. i have some family freinds who did jsut that. although i dotn know them anymore we got the talking, kind of, about it. thing is the education is WAY cheaper here and the pay is way higher there. quite simple why it happens. i doubt wages are gonna go up anytime soons (especially with govs liek bc's current and ontarios). education howevere is probably gonna sky rocket in the near future.

personally i have not had a single problem with health care. although i am generally healthy and have never been to the hospitol for anythign serious and rarely go to tthe doctor. everytime i go there i often get sicker then i was before. so unless its preventing me from doing day to day activities in a serious way its just not worth going there. my older relatives have had fairly good experiences as well, but most are veterans so...


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3433953 - 12/01/04 07:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I was listening to a radio caller from Canada the other day who said that while he was waiting 15 hrs to get a piece of copper taken out of his hand, he saw more than one woman have a miscarrage in the waiting room. Its funny how democrats try to use Canada as an example of a perfect liberal society.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3434286 - 12/01/04 08:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You think thats bad. Grady Hospital down here in Atlanta had a huge problem a couple years ago. Some guy got shot outside the ER and they wouldnt let him in cause he didnt have insurance and bled to death in the parking lot.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3434484 - 12/01/04 09:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Grady Hospital down here in Atlanta had a huge problem a couple years ago. Some guy got shot outside the ER and they wouldnt let him in cause he didnt have insurance and bled to death in the parking lot.




Yeah, that never happens in Canada. But there are some problems wiht the health system here. BC and Alberta now make families pay up to 100$ a month for insurance. The catch is that you are never really uninsured. They just collect it as they would taxes, meaning they can fuck your credit rating if you don't pay. If you make less than I think $20,000 coverage is free anyways.

When my child was born, there was no waiting. We went straight upstairs to the delivery room, and were attended by nice nurses and a doctor. My wife was allowed to stay "as long as she wanted" with free food and on call care for the baby.

I had sugery a few years before that, and had to wait 5 weeks. It was not a serious condition at all, and the wait was painless. Thank God. I didn't pay a penny.


There are some waits sometimes though. The system is staved for cash. Canada got 100$ billion tax cuts for those who need them least over 5 years and 4-8 billion investment in health insurance. That is another problem.

The system enjoys widespread support in Canada and it's founder, Tommy Douglas, was recently voted "Greatest Canadian in history" by the viewers of CBC.


Canada spends far less on it's universal insurance system than does USA on it's ability to pay system.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3434833 - 12/01/04 10:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yup campbell sure gave liberals in bc a BAD name!  who would have thought BC could hate a party mroe than the NDP?  get what ya vote for as tehy say :rolleyes:

i jsut hope people realise that they should NOT vote out the liberals but vote IN a party that represents their veiws.  god damn we a whiney spineless province.  BAH!

but ya i can go to the hospitol here and get treatment fairly quick.  guy at work got a nail through the foot and it took about 10 mins till he was in ahving the doc do his thing.  its totally different in each hospitol in each procince or state, but in general i think both countries have a TON of work to do.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3434953 - 12/01/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Soooo just how much did this visit cost you?

Here in the Us, in every major city its the same thing.. You wait and wait and then they put you on a bed and you wait some more..

I sat for two hours needing 11 stitches in my forhead. I was covered in a bloody shirt with a rag full of blood on my head. That bill was $1200

I sat for almost 6 hours when I broke my pinkey toe and when the doctor finaly saw me he made ME put tape up my own toes and said thats all they could do.. Cost $350

Broken hand = 3 hour wait and $700 emergency room plus $200 followup.

Cut Finger (BAD CUT)... Well I waited only 30 minutes but it cost me over $1000 for the periferal nerve block and plastic surgery consults.

Sooooo... All in all Ive had to wait a total of about 12 hours in 4 ER visits and it cost me over $3,300.

I think that Canada has got us beat hands down when it comes to medical systems...

America has its HUGE share of problems which are MUCH worse than any Canada has seen.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #3435049 - 12/01/04 11:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Do you work in a dangerous profession or something?


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3435097 - 12/01/04 11:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
You think thats bad. Grady Hospital down here in Atlanta had a huge problem a couple years ago. Some guy got shot outside the ER and they wouldnt let him in cause he didnt have insurance and bled to death in the parking lot.



Grady is terrible. I had to go there once for a major cut on my leg and I had to wait 6 hours because I didn't have any proof of insurance (I was insured) and my injury wasn't life threatening. Because of the long wait I had to get a blood transfusion and suffered from a serious infection after I got stitched up.


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Re: Are Canadian Hospitals really like this? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3435173 - 12/01/04 11:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've been to the ER twice in Canada. Once in Toronto, once in London, and I've never had to wait any longer than 45 minutes, or felt neglected in any way.


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