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 dressel11
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 Salvia Divinorim question 
#3418227 - 11/28/04 03:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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what is the difference in salvia standardized and non-standardized extracts? if ingested could one possible be bad for your health or is either of them more potent than the other?
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 liveby
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Re: Salvia Divinorim question [Re: dressel11]
#3418280 - 11/28/04 03:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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extract stronger ! than leaf ~
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dressel11
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Re: Salvia Divinorim question [Re: liveby]
#3418285 - 11/28/04 03:25 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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i know extracts are stronger than leaf, but what is the difference in the two methods of extraction.
Edited by dressel11 (11/28/04 03:26 AM)
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia Divinorim question [Re: dressel11]
#3418726 - 11/28/04 08:36 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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the standardized extracts end up being leaf (or elixirs) with salvinorin added from Nx as many equal weights of leaf.
the NonStandardized extracts end up being leaf (or elixirs) with any essential oils, waxes chlorophylls, organic solutes (of which one is salvinorin) that can come from Nx as many equal weights of leaf. It is also called crude extract since it is non-specific for salvinorin and hence, crudely, includes other organic compounds in the non-specific extraction.
often Standardized which is harder to prepare (i.e. with acetone and naptha and ethanlol washes) results in a nice green dry product.
often NonStandardized (which is easier to prepare with various kinds of solvent - usually alcohol) results in a dark gummy leaf - sometimes still wet or hard to ignite.
both are just as strong. Standardized is easier to smoke and easier on the lungs afterwards (less tars), and often 3 times the price or more.
Edited by redgreenvines (11/28/04 08:40 AM)
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Mike_Ologist
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Hmm... acetone is a pretty harmful substance, which one wouldn't want to inhale. How can one be sure that the standardized extract is not harmful?
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redgreenvines
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Re: Salvia Divinorim question [Re: Mike_Ologist]
#3419255 - 11/28/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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no problem with acetone from extract it is fully evaporated and for perspective:
acetone can be an irritant to lungs at factories where it is used in industrial processes.
it is naturally found in all living things and fairly high in a banana.
in fact more acetone is located in a banana than in 100 pounds of standardized extract.
if you want to be picky about small concentrations of irritants and toxins, crude extract is higher, mushrooms even higher, HBWR Peyote etc etc. are all higher than those too.
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sander
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i would say dont ingest any of it. if you are buying some salvia extract by the gram it wouldn't be worth it to ingest, just smoke it. i have found that the standardized extract is consistantly stronger. the only difference is that with the standardized some amount of pure salvinorium A (the pyscoactive chemical in salvia) is added to the gram of leaf that you have. whereas with the nonstandardized the salvinorium A is extracted from a leaf and then added to anouther leaf. this process can sometimes be less exact simply because the amout of salvinorium A varies from leaf to leaf and can be quite small in some leaves. if that does not make sense go to http://www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html
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