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InvisibleGreat_Satan
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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Krishna]
    #3419589 - 11/28/04 05:08 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Krishna]
    #3419730 - 11/28/04 05:51 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

large muslim populations across europe remain cultually and politically isolated. wide spread disenfranchisement that will only lead to more bombs exploding across the continent.

and that will strengthen right wing anti-immigrant groups


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3419753 - 11/28/04 06:02 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I keep hearing these stories about European countries that are very
liberal and progressive welcoming Muslims with open arms only
to find that the Muslims hate them. The Muslims rail against the
Europeans in their mosques and make no effort to become a true
part of the country. It's supposedly like they are hostile invaders.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3419759 - 11/28/04 06:03 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

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large muslim populations across europe remain cultually and politically isolated. wide spread disenfranchisement that will only lead to more bombs exploding across the continent.

and that will strengthen right wing anti-immigrant groups




unless left wing political movements (social democrats, greens, etc) along with islamic cultural groups work together to find out what is causing this disenfranchisement to get worse, what steps might we take to alleviate it, and start implementing some of these steps. this will strengthen the groups that search for a sustainable solution to these problems, instead of isolationism, militarism, xenophobia, and racism... it's a question of are we in the west going to say, "fuck you guys - we know we are right, we never do any wrong, so either go along with what we want or die!", or are we going to recognize that there are some serious conflicts today (some of which have been around since history has been around!) that can only be resolved by dialogue, compassion, and the unifying spirit of humanity? If we choose the former, I agree with you - the ultra-right (a la Bush, Dansk Folkeparti, the French National Front, etc) will continue to grow. My belief is also that if we choose the former for too long, we will decimate the earth to the point that she cannot rejuvinate. And that's not only an unsustainable future - that's no future at all!


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Xlea321]
    #3419941 - 11/28/04 07:22 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

"How many attacks in Europe have there been in the last 10 years? One? I know americans tend to shit themselves when there's a terrorist attack - like Bruce Willis and Arnold being too petrified to fly after Lockerbie. Europeans tend to be made of sterner stuff. One attack every 10 years isn't going to phase them. "


Wow. Check out the Dutch. They've recently had a few people killed by extremists, and they're up in arms about it.

think about that.

the dutch are pissed off.

that's saying something. these people played nice with the NAZIS.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3420639 - 11/28/04 09:54 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

The Paris Metro was bombed in 1995, A subway train was recently bombed in Spain. Turkey has seen a lot of terrorism......


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3420656 - 11/28/04 09:57 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3420676 - 11/28/04 10:01 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

:lol: on that same page, there is a heading "Top UK Stories Now:" and one of the stories is "No rush to war, says Blair"


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3420846 - 11/28/04 10:30 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3421272 - 11/28/04 11:49 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

European governments usually abide by a liberal policy, but the psyche in most European countries is fairly racist, and bigoted towards Muslims. Sadly, there is a growing mentality that hating Muslims isn't bigotry at all.


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