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What would make Islamicists happy?
    #3417382 - 11/27/04 10:10 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I'm addressing this post mainly to zahudulallah as he seems to be the only one around here who is Islamic and can speak better for their community than anyone else.

If the USA did not interfere in the affairs of the Middle East, if our only interaction with these dictators was to purchase oil from them, if we told Israel that she'd have to fend for herself, if we withdrew troops from Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, do you think that all of these actions combined would satisfy the Jihadists and make them not want to attack us?


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: SoopaX]
    #3417423 - 11/27/04 10:22 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

This war is all messed up. We need to offer Pork Free body bags. Thats the freakin problem here. We are not offreing them the right stuff. The old Viet Nam pork based bags just don't interest them. In Nam roast pork was a sent that attracted the enemy, not anymore. We need a new sent to our body bags. Like those seeds from sunflowers. Sunflower seed flavor bodybags or something. Sesame seed flavor? What are they eating over there? Get that sent! :thumbup:


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: SoopaX]
    #3417459 - 11/27/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

For one thing the proper word you are looking for is "Islamic" not "Islamicist" - second, the word "Jihadi" is just a popularist coin phrase. The proper word is Mujahid (one who partkes in struggle, be it spiritual or physical - the english meaning of jihad).

First - the first thing the United States needs to do is withdraw completely out of Iraq. This is obviously a given.

U.S. support needs to end for the Zionist State. The weapons used by Israelis are used to kill Palestinian Muslims and to enforce the backbone of a military occupation of the Masjid al-Aqsa and Palestinian territories.

The United States must withdraw all foreign influence in Muslim countries.. they need to remove troops from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and else where. They need to halt their backing of oppressive regimes in the Muslim world like Pakistan and Egypt.

Alltogether they need to allow Muslims to run their own affairs, and evolve their own society without the United States meddling in these affairs for self serving reasons.

Furthermore, the United States should acknowledge to the Muslim World that they have done wrong to them in the past. An honest apology from which ever President would enforce a permanent change in foreign policy would do wonders to bring the Islamic and Western civilizations together in harmony.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3417469 - 11/27/04 10:38 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

You'll never stop the war against the islam nations. They replaced the cold war enemy. We need these evil islamists to make money. Keep em coming! BTW Zahud, you are too smart to be here.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: mabus]
    #3417474 - 11/27/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Uh, what does that even mean?


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3417497 - 11/27/04 10:46 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Its not for smart folks. Its just coded for dumbass folks. The folks that need to know get it. Don't worry about it.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3417503 - 11/27/04 10:47 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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zahudulallah said:They need to halt their backing of oppressive regimes in the Muslim world like Pakistan




:thumbup: i've got to say, zahudulallah - with that comment, my respect for you just shot up :smile: i've always thought that the United States is shooting itself in the foot by supporting Musharaf (sp?)


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Krishna]
    #3417529 - 11/27/04 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Mabus said: The Islam will get the crap beat out of them. Its too bad usama bin laden thought they could fight. Lots of islamic folks will die, lots of money will be made by jews. Thats the way it is.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3417999 - 11/28/04 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

there are over a billion Muslims. only a small % are nuts. (a few million)

zahad i think you are right. Pull Out!!!!!!!! more and more i am liking the idea of Isolationism. the euros have a long tradition of it and so does the states. ( both WW1, WW2, and the league of nations)

i sometimes hope the isolationist in Europe and the states win out. i have written Europe and Israel off.

even if we do pull out, the attacks will still continue (especially in Europe). then we will see the appeasement left of Europe lose out to a ugly far right. a far right in Europe that will kill Innocent Muslims.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3418097 - 11/28/04 02:16 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

US will never stop supporting Israel because they know that Muslims have wanted to kill every jew there for a long ass time.

It is also true that the US needed an enemy because once the cold war was over there was nothing left to do. The war is just to keep the country going and gaining more influence. It's a normal cycle that many countries follow.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: downforpot]
    #3418127 - 11/28/04 02:30 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Jewish people..should i stay or should i go? at least get your women and children out.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: downforpot]
    #3418130 - 11/28/04 02:31 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I think pulling support from Israel is both cowardly and wrong. It would be total hypocrisy to claim to be fighting a war on terrorism and then betray the country that has endured terrorism the most and the longest to placate terrorists themselves. Also turning your back on the one democracy in a region of autocrats would also be wrong.

However, I am tempted by the idea of not giving out ANY foreign aide. Especially to countries who use state run media to denounce the US (like Egypt, who recieves as much money in aide as Israel does). I'd love to see how quickly the world that was so quick to criticize the US crawl back for aide and protection. I wouldn't mind letting the rest of the world go to crap. If they don't like America, we could let them see how long they last without us. Give them what they want.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3418150 - 11/28/04 02:36 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

The first step is to stop depending on energy from foreign countries. Then their economies will go to shit and we can find a better and a indirect way to influence their economies. If they loose US, then the whole world economy will collapse because every country needs US.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3418182 - 11/28/04 02:47 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I wouldn't mind letting the rest of the world go to crap

Got over yourself. It's people like you who are part of the problem, not the solution. :finger:


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: SoopaX]
    #3418241 - 11/28/04 03:09 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

I would love to see the US totally withdraw all negative, belligerent interactions, as well as all positive aid and help to foreign nations to just sit back for a few years and let it all play out. I think US isolationism would be great for the world, even considering everyone who's lively hood depends on the US.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3418628 - 11/28/04 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 days ago)

even if we do pull out, the attacks will still continue (especially in Europe).

How many attacks in Europe have there been in the last 10 years? One? I know americans tend to shit themselves when there's a terrorist attack - like Bruce Willis and Arnold being too petrified to fly after Lockerbie. Europeans tend to be made of sterner stuff. One attack every 10 years isn't going to phase them.

then we will see the appeasement left of Europe lose out to a ugly far right.

Don't hold your breath.

a far right in Europe that will kill Innocent Muslims.

You sound like you are doing WAY too much nitrous.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3419016 - 11/28/04 12:36 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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then we will see the appeasement left of Europe lose out to a ugly far right




I disagree. Take a look at the example of the most recent Spanish elections - they chose to move more to the left in the face of terrorism. I personally feel that the education-systems in Europe are good enough that people will not conclude the way to deal with terrorists is to become a terrorist yourself (it certainly hasn't worked for the Palestinians!) - but is instead to try to determine what causes people to have such an immense anger that they are willing to kill themselves for their cause - to determine what social systems have been established that have created people with this mentality, and to search for sustainable solutions to rectifying these problems.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: SoopaX]
    #3419143 - 11/28/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

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What would make Islamicists happy?




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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: Xlea321]
    #3419473 - 11/28/04 04:16 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Alex123 when confronting an enemy there are 2 choices appeasement or war.

in the 1930's Europe choose appeasement. now Spain and Europe are choosing it again. history will repeat itself.

Michell alliot-Marie French defense minister said " France could use its nuclear capability to defend itself or neighbors, and urged the European union to increase military spending".....

this is how quickly Europe could swing from pacifism to genocide.


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Re: What would make Islamicists happy? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3419517 - 11/28/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
Alex123 when confronting an enemy there are 2 choices appeasement or war.





Or, there is the option to look at the situation, and say - "is humanity my enemy?" There is the option to examine what causes people to hate, what causes people to turn to violence to solve conflicts, what drives people to the extreme situation of giving your own life in order to kill people who are your "enemies." I hope that Europe, and eventually the United States, not to mention the Islamic world, will take this third option. Both appeasement of an enemy and war against an enemy are insustainable solutions. The problems will continue to rise, again and again. Without a serious consideration, a serious dialogue between both parties, we are always going to be revolving in this cycle of unsteady peace leading to war leading to unsteady peace leading to war...

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Michell alliot-Marie French defense minister said " France could use its nuclear capability to defend itself or neighbors, and urged the European union to increase military spending".....

this is how quickly Europe could swing from pacifism to genocide.




As an American who has lived in Europe for the past few years, and is moving back to Europe for higher-education, I would say that I think you are over-estimating the influence of the far-right in Europe. I guess it's just my opinion, but I do not think Europe will take a turn to the far right in the near future.


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