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InvisibleJim
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Patriot Act Part Duex!
    #3412943 - 11/26/04 06:08 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Thread at Irevolution
http://www.irevolution.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=819
http://www.newstarget.com/002477.html

USA Patriot Act II would make news gathering a crime

Think the first Patriot Act was a civil rights and personal privacy tragedy? Just wait until you see Patriot Act II. Section 102 of the police state bill would make it a crime to engage in any information gathering, meaning that people who gather news headlines on the Internet would suddenly be deemed criminals and terrorists. Essentially, the law would destroy any last illusions of freedom in the United States. It would turn the USA into a communist-style police state, where no person is truly free.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: Jim]
    #3412966 - 11/26/04 06:14 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

your tinfoil hat needs some relayerin


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: Jim]
    #3413068 - 11/26/04 06:38 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Any link to the exact wording would be better.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: SoopaX]
    #3413159 - 11/26/04 07:18 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

i believe that the Patriot Act II was dropped, after it became quite clear that it wouldn't pass... unless they've started talking about starting it up again.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: Krishna]
    #3413442 - 11/26/04 08:33 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Haven't they left this bill behind? I thought they introduced a new one, or were going to, that was a combo of Patriot 1 and 2 that is the most absurd violation of our rights to date. I just don't remember the name. It had one of those 'clever' acronyms that asshat politicians think up in the ever increasing span of time that they do nothing with....


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: Jim]
    #3413716 - 11/26/04 10:11 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

They will likely pass it the next time they decide to blow something up


Edited by usefulidiot (11/27/04 01:11 AM)


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: DNKYD]
    #3413720 - 11/26/04 10:12 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Haven't they left this bill behind? I thought they introduced a new one, or were going to, that was a combo of Patriot 1 and 2 that is the most absurd violation of our rights to date. I just don't remember the name. It had one of those 'clever' acronyms that asshat politicians think up in the ever increasing span of time that they do nothing with....




You mean the domestic security enhancement act?


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: Jim]
    #3414283 - 11/27/04 12:28 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

here's what the mentioned section of patriot II says:

"FISA currently defines "agent of a foreign power" to include a person who knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities on behalf of a foreign power--but only if those activities "involve or may involve a violation of" federal criminal law. Requiring the additional showing that the intelligence gathering violates the laws of the United States is both unnecessary and counterproductive, as such activities threaten the national security regardless of whether they are illegal. This provision would expand the definitions contained in 50 U.S.C. ? 1801(b)(2)(A) & (B). Any person who engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for a foreign power would qualify as an "agent of a foreign power," regardless of whether those activities are federal crimes."


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: ]
    #3414405 - 11/27/04 12:55 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

basically what that part says is that clandestinely gathering intelligence for a foreign power (which would now include international terrorists under section 101) can make you an "agent of a foreign power".

i have no idea, from reading the bill, where the author of that story got the idea that "people who gather news headlines on the Internet would suddenly be deemed criminals and terrorists."


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: ]
    #3414460 - 11/27/04 01:12 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Can the USA possibly get more screwed up? The answer is Yes, and the government is working hard at it.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: Krishna]
    #3414590 - 11/27/04 01:43 AM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Krishna said:
i believe that the Patriot Act II was dropped, after it became quite clear that it wouldn't pass... unless they've started talking about starting it up again.




Bwahahahahaha..

Its will just be renamed and cliped to another much more popular bill.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: ]
    #3415902 - 11/27/04 03:03 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Yes but a foreign power has been redefined to include sleeper cells and individuals not attached to a known terrorist organization. So essentially, if they don't like you and you gather news, they can make you a criminal.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3415927 - 11/27/04 03:21 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Yes but a foreign power has been redefined to include sleeper cells and individuals not attached to a known terrorist organization.

where does it say that?


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3415953 - 11/27/04 03:33 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

It says "clandestine intelligence", not categorizing publically available news headlines.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: ]
    #3416016 - 11/27/04 03:53 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
Yes but a foreign power has been redefined to include sleeper cells and individuals not attached to a known terrorist organization.

where does it say that?




From your thread, http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/PA2draft.html#Sec102summ

Section 101, "This provision would expand FISA's definition of "foreign power" to include all persons, regardless of whether they are affiliated with an international terrorist group, who engage in international terrorism."


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3416022 - 11/27/04 03:56 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

yeah, but you have to "engage in international terrorism".


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: ]
    #3416025 - 11/27/04 03:57 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

Or be suspected of it.


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3416033 - 11/27/04 04:00 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

where does it say that?

legal definition of "international terrorism" here:

Section 2331. Definitions

As used in this chapter -
(1) the term ''international terrorism'' means activities that
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(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that
are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of
any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed
within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of
the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they
appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which
their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
(2) the term ''national of the United States'' has the meaning
given such term in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act;
(3) the term ''person'' means any individual or entity capable
of holding a legal or beneficial interest in property;
(4) the term ''act of war'' means any act occurring in the
course of -
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared,
between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and
(5) the term ''domestic terrorism'' means activities that -
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=18&sec=2331


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: ]
    #3416036 - 11/27/04 04:02 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

The bill leaves tremendous potential for abuse by those in authority

The fact that they have already associated drug use with terrorism should give anyone an idea of how schizophrenic their approach to 'terrorism' is, let alone how broad their definition of a 'terrorist' will likely continue to expand as they see fit


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Re: Patriot Act Part Duex! [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3416043 - 11/27/04 04:05 PM (13 years, 23 days ago)

The fact that they have already associated drug use with terrorism

i've heard about some television ads. i haven't heard of any laws or judicial rulings linking drug use and terrorism.


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