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OfflineJustSomeGuy
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Trichocereus cuzcoensis???
    #3412341 - 11/26/04 02:44 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

I've recently been searching canadian websites for dried T-peruvians and I can across this? It's cheaper than regular dried t-peruvians, but by the discription it sounds like its more potent? Does any body have any expirance with this cacti? Thanks for any help!

Trichocereus peruvianus hybrid

(Preliminary botanical identification)(Trichocereus cuzcoensis)
This hybrid contains simmilar alkaloids to Trichocereus peruvianus, Trichocereus tershekki and Lophophora williamsii cacti. Comparable in quantity of alkaloids to Lophophora williamsii. We have this harvested and prepared nicely without the core, spines or white flesh present. Traditional dosage is equal to 10-25g's of material


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Re: Trichocereus cuzcoensis??? [Re: JustSomeGuy]
    #3412870 - 11/26/04 05:46 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

I found this on Erowid:

Botanical name mescaline other alkaloids
Genus species
Lophophora williamsii ~1% dry Ann,And,Ant,Annd,H,L,P,T
Trichocereus peruvianus 0.8% dry T
pachanoi 0.1% wet Annd,H,T
bridgesii 0.1% wet T
validus 0.1% wet
macrogonus <0.05% wet T
terschecki <0.05% wet Ann
werdermann <0.05% wet T
taquimbal <0.05% wet H
cuzcoensis <0.01% wet T
Stetsonia coryne <0.01% wet T
Pelecyphora aselliformis 0.00002% And,H,P


Mescaline content is probably given as hydrochloride, 128 mg mescaline HCl = 200 mg mescaline sulfate. Doses of mescaline are usually measured as sulfate. "Dry" means dry weight, "wet" fresh weight.

Ann = anhalonine causes paralysis followed by hyperexitability in rabbits
And = anhalodine stimulant, not potent
Annd = anhalonidine similar to pellotine
H = hordenine
L = lophophorine causes convulsions, similar to strychnine
P = pellotine causes drowsiness and slowing of heartbeat
T = tyramine

References:
Agurell, S. 1969: Cactaceae alkaloids I. Lloydia 32,2
Agurell, S. 1971: Cactaceae alkaloids X. Alkaloids of Trichocereus Species and Some Other Cacti. Lloydia 34,2
Anderson, E.F. 1980: Peyote - the Divine Cactus. The University of Arizona Press, ISBN 0-8165-0613-2.
Pardanani, J.H. & McLaughlin, J.L. 1977: Cactus Alkaloids XXXVI. Mescaline and Related Compounds from Trichocereus Peruvianus. Lloydia 40,6


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Re: Trichocereus cuzcoensis??? [Re: Maverik]
    #3415576 - 11/27/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

ive seen it offered online.. it is supposed to be just as potent or as potent as peruvianus. But i have never seen any evidence of this at all. I really have never heard of anyone trying this kind... So for me anyway i would just order peruvianus instead of this toss up! or just dose higher with regular san pedro


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Re: Trichocereus cuzcoensis??? [Re: Maverik]
    #5379692 - 03/09/06 01:07 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

i know this is a really old thread but.... ill let you kno; im about to eat an oz of it...
peace
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Re: Trichocereus cuzcoensis??? [Re: seanferguson]
    #5379712 - 03/09/06 01:14 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Sean good luck and good vibes with your trip :peace:


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Re: Trichocereus cuzcoensis??? [Re: Kerr]
    #5379723 - 03/09/06 01:20 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, just because its sold as cuzcoensis skin doesn't mean it really is. After all, perhaps most of the "peruvianus" skin is macrogonus.

Just because someone hacks it up and sells it doesn't mean it is properly IDed. If they're a good vendor, they sell stuff because it is quality, names aside. One UK vendor sells supposed cuzcoensis skin. I hear it is good though, and resembles nothing of the standard kk242 cuzcoensis we're used to. Perhaps the trich simply comes from cuzco, so the name is half guessed based on that.

It is probably skin not to different than the rest out there, and you'll probably have fun.


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Re: Trichocereus cuzcoensis??? [Re: Kerr]
    #5379724 - 03/09/06 01:21 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah have fun man! Let us know how it was.


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