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Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience
    #3409411 - 11/25/04 09:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I see many posts here refering to entheogens as the most direct route to spiritual experience. They just provide a thought provoking experience making you open to new paradigms. It should be recognized that all of our life experience is spiritual with every experience having equal spiritual value to every other experience. Entheogens can lead one to the well, but to drink from the well requires thought and discipline and a lifetime of work. True change must be wrought...not just lip service and the exchange of stoned platitudes.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3409443 - 11/25/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You can drink from the well...

Or you can drink from the well - ON MUSHROOMS!!!!


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3409527 - 11/25/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You're an honest man Hoohoo. There's too many stoned hippies round these here parts.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3409578 - 11/25/04 10:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

people who do drugs "hate" freedom


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3409585 - 11/25/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. Happy Thanksgiving.  :grin:


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3409773 - 11/25/04 10:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I never said I hated anything, under normal conditions I would extoll the virtues of entheogens, but here most people already had enough...maybe even need to scale back their use. I understand this as I used to be a heavy user of LSD and shrooms, but it is not under every condition a proof positive spiritual experience. Being high don't equal spiritual discipline.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3409844 - 11/25/04 11:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience"

Have you ever thought that?


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Strumpling]
    #3409963 - 11/25/04 11:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I agree too. The things that I have become aware of under the influence of psychedelics are like flashing signs demanding some action. To constantly trip and watch the pretty lights while ignoring the message is spiritually dangerous in my opinion.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: shroomydan]
    #3410007 - 11/25/04 11:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I always thought astral travel was superior to psychedelics. Astral travel is very common.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Strumpling]
    #3410016 - 11/25/04 11:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What do you mean? Yes, obviously, I thought it. I said it.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3410230 - 11/26/04 12:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Great_Satan said:
I always thought astral travel was superior to psychedelics.  Astral travel is very common.




Oh really?

I have been around a long time and I have yet to meet any Astral Travlers :frown:


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3410425 - 11/26/04 01:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

same as me. i've been into the idea of astral travel for awhile and have educated myself well enough, and they said its common yet i've never met anybody who tried it and let alone heard about it.
one reason might be(for me), if you talk about it in public, people might think your "nutzo" so people talk about it in forums online so to protect their privacy.
we're all insecure in some ways i guess


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3410889 - 11/26/04 03:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think Strumpling is asking if you've ever believed that drug use is the be all and end all of spiritual experience.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: TheCheat]
    #3411346 - 11/26/04 08:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

astral travel superior to psychedelics? why make such a comparison and decide one is more superior? care to explain?
I go to a free course given at the toronto public library, with people from all sorts of backgrounds. and I dont think people think your a nutzo, where did ya get that idea mate?

sorry back on topic. yes entheogens for me isnt a end but simply means of getting a glimpe. after you get that, its your task to go on and explore.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: BanJankri]
    #3411910 - 11/26/04 12:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I've definitely had this kind of thought in relation to LSD. I began taking it to explore my spirituality, and then I got lost in the meaning of it all. I was a regular acid-head devloping theories and reasoning behind my exsistance, absorbing the typical egocentrical mindset. Acid became my 'Church.' I lost grasp on my reality.

Part of the reason I don't do acid anymore...it's easy to get lost in why you're doing it. I wasn't doing it for the right reasons, in my opinion.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Username_Alpha]
    #3412298 - 11/26/04 02:36 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Been there. I do credit entheogens with opening me up to new ideas, though. When using an entheogen one must still maintain a grip on sense and reality and understand the reasons for it's ingestion clearly.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3412407 - 11/26/04 03:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

True change must be wrought...not just lip service and the exchange of stoned platitudes.

But never underestimate the gigglisciousness of a deranged, yet relevant, stoned platitude. I like to collect them the way some hoard hubcaps or ashtrays.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Swami]
    #3412410 - 11/26/04 03:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I did not say they were not entertaining...I like talking utter bullshit more than most people.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3412639 - 11/26/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Swami]
    #3413351 - 11/26/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

They're discussing it here.

http://www.kancof.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=171

A lot of people discussed it at the hive, too.


Edited by Great_Satan (11/26/04 08:10 PM)


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