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Re: Thread Contamination [Re: Diploid]
#3405286 - 11/24/04 05:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"I don't see the problem the originator of the thread is referring to, perhaps that is why it ended up derailed?"
Diploid, that makes more sense to me. Why didn't you say something along those lines in the first place? Perhaps if I can elaborate on "thread contamination".
Discounting a person's beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Reasonable questioning is healthy, that's why we are here. Telling people their beliefs are myths that need to be destroyed is wrong.
Arguement for the sake of arguement or ego satisfaction.
Debate for the purpose of winning the debate and not for the purpose of exchanging ideas.
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Re: Thread Contamination [Re: Diploid]
#3405334 - 11/24/04 06:07 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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All valid points you made Diploid. Might I add that if some one takes on the stance as being a teachy know it all, then they set themselves up for being questioned. Doesn't mean they have to answer to anyone.
The tough part for many is wording their stuff in a way that doesn't sound teachy or like they are out to impress their beleifs onto others as if everyone should beleive as they do or else they are stupid. Delivery has a lot to do with how people draw challenging questions to their posts.
I teach my daughter to question everyone and everything when something doesn't feel or sound right and that includes all authority figures. If someone wants to claim themselves to be an authority here then they set themselves up for critical questioning.
Does all questioning have to be critical?
WHO here wants to claim being an authority official on an S&P related subject and doesn't mind being grilled on it????????
Any takers?
I wish there was a way all debate here could end with a friendly handshake and more mutual respect for all involved in the debate was shown at the close of it. That might help ease some of the tension that develops here. Maybe the tension is what people are addicted to??? I don't know what the magic of this place is. LOL
When I was new here, I thought a lot of people hated each other. Now I see how much appreciation and respect actually exists between the members who have passed all of the hazing and stuck it out. S&P truly is an awesome place!
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Telling people their beliefs are myths that need to be destroyed is wrong.
Well, this is where we disagree, at least in so far as those beliefs are being expounded in a Spirituality and Philosophy forum, and not in a pro-theology forum.
See, from my point of view (correct or not, it's what I have to work with), anyone who believes in creation is being ripped off and would be better served by the cold, hard truth of the absolute avalanche of evidence in the fossil record that very, very strongly suggest that evolution is the way biological diversity occurs, not magic.
Whenever anyone in a Spirituality and Philosophy forum puts forth the idea that magic created biological diversity, they should expect to be challenged; this is as it should be.
If you're being ripped off and I tell you so, would you say that I'm being an asshole or a friend?
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Might I add that if some one takes on the stance as being a teachy know it all, If you're referring to me, well, I don't know everything, but I do know a lot, and giving others the benefit of my long time of study, reflection, and discussion shouldn't be taken as being teachy. then they set themselves up for being questioned. Wonderful! I never learn anything by beating someone's logic into the ground, but I learn plenty when someone objectively shows me that I'm wrong, and I'm always thankful for it. S&P truly is an awesome place!
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
Edited by Diploid (11/24/04 06:50 PM)
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Re: Thread Contamination [Re: Diploid]
#3405583 - 11/24/04 07:09 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't reffering to you being that way Diploid. You've never come across that way to me. I can't think of anyone here who really has cept for Mix claiming he knows it all. That would be an instance where I could see someone getting grilled.
I was speaking in general terms.
we're cool!
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Re: Thread Contamination [Re: Diploid]
#3405628 - 11/24/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Anyone who believes in creation is being ripped off"
Well, I am not sure if they are getting mugged. It's a mystery, and one that man alone ponders in this universe one would have to imagine. Somehow even a chimpanzee (well perhaps not the BIG chimp ) probably doesn't think about creation much.
And of course to prove or disprove creation is pretty tough.
I'm with you on evolution, and absolutely believe we came from some pond scum. I mean, most people are still pond scum! But, others could point to man being a more recent phenomenon without the "missing link". Anyway, science is my training and facts are facts IMO as far as evolution being a factor in at least the advancement of species. I am still wrestling with trying to understand why randomness is of dispute but perhaps it comes back to creation or the trying to establish meaning in a chaotic world.
BTW I did get a laugh out of the whiny kid and sometimes I can be that kid but not too often. I am more of an optimistic cynic if that makes any sense...Realist doesn't quite describe it as what fun is being stuck in the middle?
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It's a mystery OK, here's the thing: I agree with you that it's a mystery where the Universe came from, perhaps $DEITY, perhaps not, who's to say. The best science we have so far doesn't even come close to an explanation, and at the cutting edge, the explanations we do have are so mind-bogglingly weird, that if they turn out to be correct, we may never know where the Universe came from. So, if you say God, I'll sit quietly and reflect without a single word of descent. Now, as far as biological diversity goes it's another story. Darwinian Evolution is as close to fact as anything in science ever is. Anyone who's taken the time to study deep biology and paleontology will come to the same conclusion, and the only voices of descent I ever hear are theologians who know nothing about science, but try to push Creation into biology classes in public schools. So, if someone says God created the conditions in the universe that give rise to life, hey, I'll leave their beliefs alone, but if they say God created biological diversity on Earth, I'll jump all over them. If they don't like that, they can go post at: http://creationscience.com/ where nobody will ever challenge them and hurt their feelings.
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Edited by Diploid (11/25/04 04:17 AM)
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Re: Thread Contamination [Re: Diploid]
#3407511 - 11/25/04 08:47 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Darwinian evolution is as close to fact as anything in science ever is." As one with a scientific leaning and training, agreed. The difference between the rate of evolution when Darwin was alive and todays world are nuclear bombs for one. The other difference are the other effects of man such as burning fossil fuels and polluting the land and ocean. So, evolutionary change will continue to accellerate with faster global warming and pollution rates or will REALLY speed up with a nuclear holocaust. Even in Darwin's day, chaos still ruled in that it is the mutations, the freaks, that have the biggest evolutionary effect. Most of the mutants die, but that rare freak that is really different in a better way is what drives evolution. If the nuclear bombs do fall, creatures with the ability to reproduce quickly and mutate quickly will survive the best. Viruses and bacteria, for example. Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving!
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Edited by LunarEclipse (11/25/04 08:53 AM)
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Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving!
Same to you man, and everyone else here!
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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