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What's the deal with this rye?
    #3405634 - 11/24/04 09:25 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Does this look too dry to anyone?

This is before my friend shook it...he left this one unshaken and it stopped growth at this point..



This is after he shook them...no growth at all after shake..




He still hasn't figured out the problem he's having with rye..suggestions would help!


Edited by madsickpenguin (01/29/05 04:18 PM)


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: madsickpenguin]
    #3405644 - 11/24/04 09:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

how many days has it been since you shook it? I cant really see the pictures of the rye clear enough to determine the water content.


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: derx]
    #3405664 - 11/24/04 09:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It's been about 2 weeks. This is the second batch he's tried with the same exact results. Here are some more pics..

Before shake..


And after shake..


Are these pics sufficient?


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: madsickpenguin]
    #3405718 - 11/24/04 09:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Definatly looks to dry. Simmer for like 15-20 minutes longer


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3405900 - 11/24/04 10:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

thanks!


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: madsickpenguin]
    #3407738 - 11/25/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Scat, I have never known you to be wrong, but for some reason I disagree. If you look at the size of his grains they are very inflated. Rye that big was simmered sufficiently, I think his air exchange is the problem, theyve been the jars for two weeks, you think maybe the filter he has on top isnt letting the right amount of air in? This is more of an inquiry into your opinion then an argument, but Ive done about 9 cycles of 24 rye jars and the jars that stalled like that, when looking like that were usually suffocating. Just a thought. Whats your take?

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Edit:: Also check how his growth is all on top of the jars. Since exposure to the light amount of air access it would make sense to grow there, if it was a moisture issue the growth would be closer to the bottom where moisture would settle.


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: call_me_kido]
    #3410925 - 11/26/04 03:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Bump.

My friend would like to see some more input on whether this could be due to dry grain or perhaps not enough air.

He has the lid setup just like Magash's. One large hole in center of lid (1/4") and one small one for the needle. Lid goes on, then tyvek, then ring, then foil.

Does this lid setup sound sufficient enough for a good amount of air to get in?


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: madsickpenguin]
    #3410945 - 11/26/04 03:39 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think that your problem is in the air/gas exchange. And your Rye in my opinion does not seem to be overly dry. Although i do not see as many burst kernals as i would like to. So in the end yes it may be your water content, you could also have a bacterial contam problem as i am unable to rule that out of the question.


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: madsickpenguin]
    #3410950 - 11/26/04 03:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I also disagree with the grains being too dry. They still look like they are hydrated well. I'm not going to argue scat though because he pulls a hell of a lot more weight than I.


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: derx]
    #3410971 - 11/26/04 03:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i do think you need to let them simmer some more though......try it. Simmer them until about 50% are burst. Dont drain the hell out of them either. Just throw em in the strainer, rinse, and start loadin the jars.


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3411007 - 11/26/04 04:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Make sure they stay about 85 degrees. they love to be warm.
if you don't have some kind of incubator set up, i dont know where you are, but here its starting to get reeal cold at night and im sure that could stall em


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Re: What's the deal with this rye? [Re: fearfect]
    #3413085 - 11/26/04 06:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps thats how everyone else likes them but I don't see any burst kernels in there..not a single one and I have about 5-10% of burst kernels in my jar and they swell much more then that normally. Not that they look overly dry...thats probably not the only cause..two weeks is a bit long for even that. I also do not believe it is gas exchange either.

Mushrooms in vegetative growth actually thrive in co2 and SHOULD NOT have fresh air in the jars. What they should have is a way to release EXCESS co2..this is gas exchange..the ability to release gasses. Fresh air is left for fruiting though.

Temp could be a factor as well......generally though the problem with colonization is water content.

Either way if those jars are shaken they should definitely take off everywhere..it looks as if that was another problem..thats really a big reason grains grow so much quicker then the PF substrate..if it was never shaken thats a problem. Also not shaking the syringe can lead to late germination...its probably a mixture of all those factors..unless the jars are sealed though I do not feel gas exchange is the problem.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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