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Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria
    #3405531 - 11/24/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

I have a theroum behind the indoor culitivation of amanita muscaria. When i first heard of the quandary they said it cannot be grown indoors because of its symbiotic relationship with a tree. I've read into the species and see that its like confiferous trees. The norfolk island pine is readily grown indoors, and i'm wondering if anyone has done any tests or research into growing amanitas muscaria on the root structure of one of these indoor boys?


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3406295 - 11/25/04 12:20 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

I have also thought about this. Plugging some roots of a sapling with wooden dows.


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3406545 - 11/25/04 12:55 AM (12 years, 14 days ago)

"I have a theroum behind the indoor culitivation of amanita muscaria.  When i first heard of the quandary they said it cannot be grown indoors before of its symbiotic relationship with a tree."

correct me if i am wrong but isnt the symbiosis of muscaria and pines due to the dropped leaf litter (which decomposes almost like Orange coir ) and the craeation of co2 by the muscaria??? this is what i was taught in botany and we have a lot of pine that grows in my country due to pinus Radiata being a primary export. what dont you try collecting some forest floor litter from a pine forest? :smile:


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: captin_bluebeard]
    #3407133 - 11/25/04 04:49 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

i have read and been told that it forms a symbiosis with the root structure, so it would seem i would need at the very least living root from a conifur.


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3407189 - 11/25/04 05:41 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

The mushroom mycelium penetrates the roots to absorbs nutrients, and it does. The root system takes this as a sign of being under attack and closes its outter root cell walls, cutting the mycelium off, and feeds from the mycelium.


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: dmc_]
    #3407320 - 11/25/04 07:49 AM (12 years, 13 days ago)

The association is mycorrhizal so mycelium is concentrated around the active root zone...not sure weather allelopathic effects play any role, or of such studies being done?

I believe people have inoculated indoor/outdoor grown Pinus spp? whith A. muscaria mycelium with limited success. Others have tried a non-sterile A. muscaria spore solutions applied to Pinus stands with a spray-bottle or somthing similar also with limited success.


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: Bolwarra]
    #3409413 - 11/25/04 09:24 PM (12 years, 13 days ago)

Here I most often see them under what is called "berk" (birch?). A species which survives even in polar/tundra climate, the only tree with leaves who does that.
Maybe you know which tree I mean, they are whitish.....


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3410902 - 11/26/04 03:26 AM (12 years, 12 days ago)

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The association is mycorrhizal so mycelium is concentrated around the active root zone...not sure weather allelopathic effects play any role, or of such studies being done?

I believe people have inoculated indoor/outdoor grown Pinus spp? whith A. muscaria mycelium with limited success. Others have tried a non-sterile A. muscaria spore solutions applied to Pinus stands with a spray-bottle or somthing similar also with limited success.




thanks.. thats the type of info i was looking for. obviously there must be something more that we are overlooking. espeacialy if transfering myc outdoors has had limited sucess. Though amanita does not grow localy i do sojourn to localities where it does, and i shall look into the conditions upon which it is growing. I'd also like to hear some theory as to why it won't grow when cultivated. But.. i guess if you have a theory to that you might have the answer. Changes and rises in pressure, variable levels of co2/o2 etc can all be duplicated so it must be something to do with its life cycle that we are missing, or something in its reproduction that is being lacked in labs.


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3410928 - 11/26/04 03:34 AM (12 years, 12 days ago)

GROW IT GROW IT :goodluck: meang


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Re: Norfolk Island Pine & Amanita Muscaria [Re: Super_Blunt]
    #4050272 - 04/13/05 02:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The Norfolk Pine is from the southern pine group
its very very distantly related to nthn hemisphere pines and conifers

True pines (Pinus sp) only naturally extend south to the malaysian peninsular.
Im not sure how far they go into south america

The southern pines of the genus Auracaria are found in Australia, the south pacific and South america
I have never heard of them hosting Amanita not have i seen any ectomycorrhizal fungi on their roots when ive been in the Forests

Better luck with a bonsai Oak, Pinus sp, or even betula nana, the dwarf birch
these are the three main groups that host A muscaria though it has been reported to have jumped to Eucalyptus in South America


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