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OfflineTripster
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    #3405517 - 11/24/04 08:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I know in this game we like to keep costs down. I also understand that there are certain things worth paying that extra dime for. One thing that I don't understand is everyone flame sterilizing their needles, like there are no other sterile ones left on the planet. Want to know the only way to ever guarantee your needle is 100% sterile. Open it from it's sterile container yourself.

For $3 you can purchase a 25 count of any gauge needles. The discount gets better the more you buy. I see no reason to flame sterilize your needle every time, as it's not reliable anyways. How many jars do you think you've lost to this?

Go to http://www.gpzservices.com , pick either the USA site, or the Canadian/International site. Whichever fits you. Go to products and then go to needles only. There are all sorts of choices from 18 gauge to 30 gauge, and .5" long to 1.5" long. At that price why not use a new one for every jar? You could even go with a new one for every hole if you were a sterilization nut. 100 needles for about $18 after shipping, you can't go wrong there. Gauranteed sterile. Plus they have alcohol wipes on the site as well. They're handy to keep around.

What do you guys think on this?


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: Tripster]
    #3405523 - 11/24/04 08:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I steal my syringes, meaning I don't buy them :devil:


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: Super_Blunt]
    #3405571 - 11/24/04 09:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

lol, how is flame sterilizing needles not sterile? Needle becomes red hot (black body radiation) and is at least around 1000 degrees F.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: derx]
    #3405584 - 11/24/04 09:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

id rather have 1 10cc syringe than 3-4 3cc ones anyday. You have to be as fast as possible making syringes, and a big one takes a lot less effort and less chances of contams than multiple small ones.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: derx]
    #3405588 - 11/24/04 09:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

exactly, flame sterilization is pretty damn good. Red hot steel means it wicked hot. wicked hot means almost anything is gonna die, and is just as sterile as those brand new needles. they are just stereoclaved or autoclaved or manufactured in a clean room. besides, you open them and bam, they aren't sterile anymore.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3405665 - 11/24/04 09:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

1000F is pretty fucken hot!


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: aussieone]
    #3405673 - 11/24/04 09:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

flame sterilization works fine. dipping in alcohol is fine also. soon as u take it out of the container, u would have to fill it up with spore juice. which dosnt seem very easy to keep sterile.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: derx]
    #3405681 - 11/24/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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derx said:
lol, how is flame sterilizing needles not sterile? Needle becomes red hot (black body radiation) and is at least around 1000 degrees F.


You sure on the 1000 degrees thing? That's hot enough to melt the metal I would think. I didn't say flame sterilization can not give you a sterile needle. I am saying it's a process being done in ones home including such factors as human error and that mistakes are made by many, evident by the contam posts on this board that often come down to procedural problems.

I don't suggest starting posts with LOL btw.Laughing at anothers thoughts is not exactly the nicest way to start off a conversation. Notice I didn't laugh out loud at your 1,000 degrees comment. I asked you to elaborate.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: aussieone]
    #3405690 - 11/24/04 09:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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aussieone said:
id rather have 1 10cc syringe than 3-4 3cc ones anyday. You have to be as fast as possible making syringes, and a big one takes a lot less effort and less chances of contams than multiple small ones.


I'm not talking about the syringe size at all. If you want, you can also order 60cc syringes off of that site. Is that big enough for you?


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: aussieone]
    #3405696 - 11/24/04 09:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

First off 100 needles for 18 bucks? Damn I only pay 5 bucks. ryvmed.com..you only need 20g. THeres some 18 guage around but I use 20 for liquid culture just fine so spores would be too. Second off..there is nothing wrong with flame sterilization and doing 50 jars a week your still talking a big waste of needles doing one per jar. Then disposing of them..blah..Just light an alcohol flame and it burns then hold the needle over it for a few seconds and wipe with the alcohol wipe you should have to wipe down what your innoculating.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3405704 - 11/24/04 09:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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lesstutrey said:
exactly, flame sterilization is pretty damn good. Red hot steel means it wicked hot. wicked hot means almost anything is gonna die, and is just as sterile as those brand new needles. they are just stereoclaved or autoclaved or manufactured in a clean room. besides, you open them and bam, they aren't sterile anymore.


I'm sure flame sterilizing does kill plenty, but out of the package they are 100% sterile. 100% sterile. And of course once something is opened it's not sterile, the same way as soon as you take away the flame and let it cool down the needle again is not sterile. That's really splitting hairs.

Let me clarify one thing about what I'm saying. I'm talking about having a syringe made (or bought) already. It has it's original needle on it. It comes time to inoculate. You take off the old needle, rip open the new needle package and attach it. You then insert and inoculate giving about 3 seconds of un-sterile life to the needle. I'd use just one per jar.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: 4hodmt]
    #3405710 - 11/24/04 09:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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4hodmt said:
flame sterilization works fine. dipping in alcohol is fine also. soon as u take it out of the container, u would have to fill it up with spore juice. which dosnt seem very easy to keep sterile.


You can open the package and screw it on without taking of the covering plastic. Then all that's "filling" it is the liquid in the syringe. If that's not sterile than you're fucked already.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3405723 - 11/24/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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First off 100 needles for 18 bucks? Damn I only pay 5 bucks. ryvmed.com..you only need 20g. THeres some 18 guage around but I use 20 for liquid culture just fine so spores would be too. Second off..there is nothing wrong with flame sterilization and doing 50 jars a week your still talking a big waste of needles doing one per jar. Then disposing of them..blah..Just light an alcohol flame and it burns then hold the needle over it for a few seconds and wipe with the alcohol wipe you should have to wipe down what your innoculating.


There you go, $5 is even better. I'll have to look at that site.

I'm not saying flame sterilization doesn't work, as obviously it's worked for many people. I'm just saying it's well worth the extra $.50 to me to use a gauranteed sterile needle as opposed to a hopefully sterile needle.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: Tripster]
    #3405739 - 11/24/04 09:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

With a 60cc syringe you cant use that just once then throw it away, you have to flame steralize it.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3405745 - 11/24/04 09:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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doing 50 jars a week your still talking a big waste of needles doing one per jar. Then disposing of them..blah..


I guess I'm also thinking more of the growers that grow for their own casual usage, not mass quantities to sell. If you had a field of jars I'm sure you might not want to take the extra time/effort/money because it would become something large to think about at the 50 jar mark. Disposing is no problem btw. If you want you can just buy the Medical Grade Needle Disposal box on that site, or Im sure for cheaper from yours, and use that. It holds hundreds. Or you can use an empty tub of protein shake or another similar plastic container.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: aussieone]
    #3405755 - 11/24/04 09:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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aussieone said:
With a 60cc syringe you cant use that just once then throw it away, you have to flame steralize it.


Are you aware that syringes and needles are different things? They come seperate in their own sterile packaging. You can have a 60cc syringe and use 72 different needles on it if you want to.


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3405763 - 11/24/04 09:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Excuse my cockiness, I said lol because IMO it is very redundant to buy a sterilized needle that is just going to used in a non sterile environment. Flame sterlizing the needle is just as good or equal to using a new needle each time. As far as 1000 degrees, that is a fact im positive on. Stainless steel melts at 1420 C (2558 F) according to the second link. I just typed in google to find you some sources:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:W-p...ature&hl=en

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wBg...point&hl=en


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: Tripster]
    #3405765 - 11/24/04 09:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

taking of the needle will expose the spore solution to all different nasties. :thumbdown:


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: derx]
    #3405780 - 11/24/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Excuse my cockiness, I said lol because IMO it is very redundant to buy a sterilized needle that is just going to used in a non sterile environment. Flame sterlizing the needle is just as good or equal to using a new needle each time. As far as 1000 degrees, that is a fact im positive on. Stainless steel melts at 1420 C (2558 F) according to the second link. I just typed in google to find you some sources:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:W-p...ature&hl=en

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wBg...point&hl=en


Interesting reads you found. I was not aware of the actual melting point but 1,000 seemed high. Now I know. I however do not feel it's redundent to be 100% sure instead of finding out the hard way.

How about this question: in order to be 100% sterile as a new one is you would have to heat the entire needle to about 1,000 degrees as you say. The end of every needle is a plastic lure locking tip that would melt at a far less temperature. How can you 100% sterilize the needle without melting that? You would either have to melt it, or not sterilize the whole needle I would think. Is there something I'm missing?


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Re: I have a suggestion for the board [Re: aussieone]
    #3405791 - 11/24/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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aussieone said:
taking of the needle will expose the spore solution to all different nasties. :thumbdown:


So you do know they're two different things than? This is really grasping here. All sorts of nasties? I'm not unscrewing it and whiping my ass with it. Plus, these are designed to have this done with them. In hospitals they don't inject with the same needle that they draw the solution out with. They switch or else you'd have a jagged edge pushing through your skin. When doing it you open the package, unscrew the needle and put the other right on. That's not going to expose anything to "all sorts of nasties".


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