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Offline*HeGz*
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**HeGz Coco Fiber Tek**
    #339987 - 06/14/01 01:54 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Ok kiddies, here is my coco fiber tek:

1. Soak @3 cups of finch seed in warm water for one hour.

2. Drain

3. Add 2 cups of vermiculite, 2 cups brown rice flour, 1 cup ground wheat or rye berries. Mix well.

4, Test moisture, if it feels dry, slowly add water (not more than one cup) until mixture barely sticks together.

5. Fill your jars with mixture.

6. Pressure cook at 15 psi. for 45 minutes.

7. Let jars stand at LEAST 4 hours until cool to the touch.

8. Innoculate jars and let colonize 100%.

9. Fill bottom of casing container ( I use tupperware containers that are approx. 6 x 11 and 2 inches deep) with 3/4 inch of moist vermiculite.

10. Cut a chunck approx. 3 x 2 of Gro-Brick coco fiber, make sure it's Gro-Brick, (comes in small 2 lb bricks, @2.95 and large 10 pound bricks,@19.95), place in bowl and cover with water. Let sit for 15 minutes. No sterilization required!

11.Crumble enough cakes so you have approx 1/2 inch deep layer of crumbled cake spread evenly across casing. WIth my tupperware containers, I have been using one one pint cake and all is working fine, but you may want to use more.

12.Mix coco fiber with your hands, making sure that it gets broken up and is VERY moist

13.Place a 1/2 layer of coco fiber on top of the crumbled cakes, squeezing SOME, not all, of the excess water as you go. You don't want it too wet, and not too dry either. Pat down so you have an even layer.

(The next step is experimental, but is doing wonders for me)

14. Sterilize a fork with alcohol or a flame. Let cool.

15. "Drag" through the coco fiber later and make it nice and "fluffy".

16. Cover casing with Saran Wrap, make sure it tightly sealed.

17. Poke 10 - 12 holes in the Saran Wrap.

18. Place in dark warm place for 7 days.

19. Place in Terrarium and begin to fan (twice daily) and give 6 - 8 hours of light daily.

A few notes. If you see the coco fiber becoming a light shade of brown, this means it is getting dry, so LIGHTLY mist. If it does get fry, which RARELY happens, it's usually around the edges of the casing. In this case, I have left it alone, with NO problems. My terrarium setup is very basic, 18 gallon tupperware container with 2 inches of moist perlite on the bottom.

As for later flushes, I have been deep scratching after the first flush and re-applying a THIN layer of coco fiber. Re-pinning begins in 3 - 5 days.

Any questions? PM me!



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #340003 - 06/14/01 02:14 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Hey HeGz,
I know you have the experience, but like I said in the love the stuff post", I think you should sterilize the stuff 'cause you have no way of knowing who touched it while in the store/warehouse and/or what it had been exposed to on the shelves. It seems that w/ all the work put into the jars it'd be a shame if som'pin' nasty touched, your brick landed on it, whatever,b4 u got it. Maybe your bricks are plastic wrapped, but the 2 I picked up had a paper wrap leaving the ends exposed. And I'm positive someone in the store must have picked one up to examine and then pet it back down again.
Better to error on the side of safety.
Look foreward to your response.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #340021 - 06/14/01 02:43 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Awsome Hegz. I have some jars that were inoculated a few days ago. If all goes well then I will get 100% colonization, then I might try this tek. I might sterilize it because it is possible that it is contaminated from someone touching it. I am also considering the sea of shrooms tek. Anyone had luck with this? Lucky me, I just got some coco fiber a few days ago. Not for shroom casing but for my reptiles. I like varying the substrate in their tank so I switch from sand, to carefresh, to cocofiber just for the hell of it.

Looks like I dont have to go buy one now.

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    #340025 - 06/14/01 02:48 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #340027 - 06/14/01 02:58 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, maybe I wont sterilize then. I guess since he said to ONLY use gro-brick and gro-brick comes wrapped in lastic then it doesnt need it. I was thinking that maybe some aren't wrapped in plastic, but now that I think about that...

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: pyromaniac]
    #340478 - 06/14/01 04:06 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

All the Gro-Brick brand I have purchased has been sealed in plastic. I have never had contams of any kind using it...

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #340506 - 06/14/01 05:45 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds real simular to Ryche's birdseed and Karl Brooks's and McMan's coco tecs. What is original here?

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #340634 - 06/14/01 09:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I got mine( "c-o-c-o f-i-b-e-r g-r-o-w b-r-i-c-k") from homeharvest. It has a "paper" wrap around it with the ends exposed. So "some brands are and some aren't." would have been a correct response. I know what I bought. Just like you know what you bought.
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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #340675 - 06/14/01 10:30 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You_Suck,

Umm, I posted this here because many people have been messaging me to post it. I don't think I was trying to be original, just trying to help. Chill!

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, people take prozac to make it normal.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #340693 - 06/14/01 10:55 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Yes you do. Big ones?

Why can't people wait for a staked claimed to be mined before they start askin' for jewlery?



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #340702 - 06/14/01 11:03 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Just think credit should be given where credit is due.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #340740 - 06/14/01 11:48 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I said"This is my coco-fiber tek", NOT "this is my substrate.Teks are different in their own way. I think you're being a bit petty bro!

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #340748 - 06/15/01 12:03 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

No, not being petty at all. So, you came up with this coco tek? I have been around a long time and my friend learned to use coco fiber from McMan and Karl Brooks. Now since those guys are no longer around these parts they cannot "help" people with coco. I agree 100% with you that coco is the shit, but I won't go around saying I invented it.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #340752 - 06/15/01 12:11 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Who invented anything? Who SAID they invented anything? HeGz is spreading knowledge man! Why so territorial?

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Nagual]
    #340767 - 06/15/01 12:44 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

What is coco foiber supposed to do exactly?



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: PlowKing]
    #340779 - 06/15/01 01:00 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I think alot of thread followers think that coco fiber is from coco when it's actually cocoNUT fiber, naturally able to hold a certain amount of moisture while not being open to foreign bacterias.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: PlowKing]
    #340789 - 06/15/01 01:15 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Plowking,
The GroBrick brand coco fiber is a nutritious, moisture holding, bacteria resistant casing material that is cheap and does not deplete the pete boggs. It is a superior casing material.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Nagual]
    #340791 - 06/15/01 01:17 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not quite sure I understand the significance of coco fiber - is it simply an alternative to verm, or does it actually result in higher yeilds? Is it less prone to contams? Why so special?



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: khufu]
    #340798 - 06/15/01 01:25 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

khufu,
Coco fiber is used only as a casing layer. All of the above reasons make it a better casing material. The biggest advantage is that it colonizes very fast because it adds nutrition to the substraight layer. On a casing, this will usually colonize in 1-3 days rather than the 7-10 day norm.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #340820 - 06/15/01 02:08 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You rock You_suck! Thanks for the help!

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, people take prozac to make it normal.

"Crobih is my Founder of the Shroomery"

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #340945 - 06/15/01 05:10 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Ryche didn't invent the use of birdseed as a substrate, I remember when he was on here asking about using it, I'm sure those archives are gone by now. If I remember correctly, Workman helped him out.



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: slither]
    #340963 - 06/15/01 05:41 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Point well taken.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #340967 - 06/15/01 05:46 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Tell the people what they want to know and you would not need any help. Cut, paste, regurgetate - cool.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: slither]
    #340971 - 06/15/01 05:55 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

> I'm sure those archives are gone by now
You can do a search, you will find it.
Interesting to read how Ryche evolved.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #341153 - 06/15/01 10:02 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

casing layers are supposed to be non-nutritious. im pretty sure gro-brick is as well.

HQ didnt sterilize it, just poured hot/boiled water over it as a prolly unnecessary precaution. (makes it absorb much quicker, and looks cool when it steams). no contams at all.

just be sure not to get ones with added trich., its been reported found in pet bedding coir and other brands apparently. gro-brick brand does not have added trich.

also, someone posted a while ago somewhere that it cannot be hydrated and kept/stored- they reported that the hydrated coir kept in a cabinet was likely the source of weevils (!!) eww... so use what you need. (cutting the brick/breaking it was impossible for HQ. she soaked one end in a bit of water, and sawed off the wet pieces... almost all could be taken off easily this way. the hot water's good for this too- it soaks it up really quickly so you can tell how much more hot water you need to get the coir you need.)



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: oscill8]
    #341196 - 06/15/01 11:34 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

oscill8 is right... probably cause she hangs out at DDI ...:D;)..her friend HQ also found out that you can use this stuff instead of verm in BRF/VERM cakes 

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: BrownPastures]
    #341295 - 06/15/01 05:07 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You can also use it in place of the brf therefore it is nutritious.

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Anonymous]
    #341362 - 06/15/01 07:12 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Y_S.. Are you saying that one could use Gro-brick as a substrate by itself? Coir is the fiberous stuff on the outside of a coconut, I doubt it'd be chock full of nutrients so i'm not sure about that; I did a lycos search for 'coir' and a popular use for it is in weaving floor mats.. would YOU eat a floormat?

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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: McMan]
    #342410 - 06/17/01 03:29 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Glad to see you're back.



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: McMan]
    #344023 - 06/19/01 07:34 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

wow, hearing mcman say this changes everything.

so, has it been bollocks then about casing layers having to be non-nutritive? or is it some quirk of coir?



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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #2342650 - 02/17/04 03:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Nice interesting only thread.


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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: *HeGz*]
    #2345337 - 02/17/04 08:07 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

*HeGz* said:

As for later flushes, I have been deep scratching after the first flush and re-applying a THIN layer of coco fiber. Re-pinning begins in 3 - 5 days.





After cleaning the pins, deep scratching and re-applying a thin casing layer, should it go back into incubation until it colonizes the new casing layer? Or right back into fruiting?

TIA, AFOAF is at this stage right now.


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Re: **HeGz Coco Fiber Tek** [Re: Jack_Straw]
    #2354342 - 02/19/04 07:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What do you do Anno? Thanks..


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