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creationism and the grand canyon...
    #3390728 - 11/20/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

from TIME magazine online.

Wednesday, Nov. 17, 2004
At a park called Dinosaur Adventure Land, run by creationists near Pensacola, Florida, visitors are informed that man coexisted with dinosaurs. This fantasy accommodates the creationists? view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that Darwin?s theory of evolution is false. Among the park exhibits is one that illustrates another creationist article of faith. It consists of a long trough filled with sand and fitted at one end with a water spigot. Above the trough is a sign reading ?That River Didn?t Make That Canyon.? When visitors open the spigot, the water quickly cuts a gully through the sand, supposedly demonstrating how the Grand Canyon was created, practically overnight, by Noah?s flood. That?s nonsense, of course, but what else would you expect at a creationist park? Certainly, one might think, this couldn?t be acceptable at, say, a National Park, right? Think again.

Two-thirds of the way across the continent, some four million people annually visit Grand Canyon National Park, marveling at the awesome view. In National Park Service (NPS) affiliated bookstores, they can find literature informing them that the great chasm runs for 277 miles along the bed of the Colorado River. It descends more than a mile into the earth, and along one stretch, is some 18 miles wide, its walls displaying impressive layers of limestone, sandstone, shale, schist and granite.

And, oh yes, it was formed about 4,500 years ago, a direct consequence of Noah?s Flood. How?s that? Yes, this is the ill-informed premise of ?Grand Canyon, a Different View,? a handsomely-illustrated volume also on sale at the bookstores. It includes the writings of creationists and creation scientists and was compiled by Tom Vail, who with his wife operates Canyon Ministries, conducting creationist-view tours of the canyon. ?For years,? Vail explains, ?as a Colorado River guide, I told people how the Grand Canyon was formed over the evolutionary time span of millions of years. (Most geologists place the canyon?s age at some six million years). Then I met the Lord. Now I have a different view of the Canyon, which according to a biblical time scale, can?t possibly be more than a few thousand years old.?

Vail?s book attracted little notice when it first appeared in the NPS stores in 2003, until a critical review by Wilfred Elders, a respected University of California geologist, brought it to light and took apart its pseudoscientific claims. That led David Shaver, who heads the Geologic Resources Division of the Park Service, to send a memo to headquarters urging that the book be removed from the NPS stores. ?It is not based on science,? he wrote, ? but on a specific religious doctrine?and should not have been approved for in NPS affiliated book stores.?

The presidents of The American Geological Institute and six of its member societies also weighed in, expressing their dismay to the Park Service. Noting that the Grand Canyon ?provides a remarkable and unique opportunity to educate the public about Earth science,? the scientists urged that, ?in fairness to the millions of park visitors, we must clearly distinguish religious from scientific knowledge.?

But when Grand Canyon National Park superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block the sale of Vail?s book at canyon bookstores, he was overruled by NPS headquarters, which announced that a high-level policy review of the matter would be launched and a decision made by February, 2004. So far, no official decision has been announced.

Even worse, according to the Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER), an organization that includes many Park employees, papers obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that no review has ever taken place. Indeed, PEER claims that the Bush Administration has already decided it will stand by its approval for the book and that hundreds more have been ordered. ?Now that the book has become quite popular,? explained an NPS flack to a Baptist news agency, ?we don?t want to remove it.?

Even more troubling, PEER charges that Grand Canyon National Park no longer offers an official estimate of the age of the canyon, and that the NPS has blocked publication of guidance intended for park rangers that reminds them there is no scientific basis for creationism. The group has been increasingly concerned about what it calls the Park Service?s ?Faith-Based Parks? and the agency?s seeming indifference to the separation of church and state Among other moves, for example, NPS has allowed the placing of bronze plaques bearing Psalm verses at Grand Canyon overlooks. PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch is indignant, ?If the Bush Administration is using public resources for pandering to Christian fundamentalists, it should at least have the decency to tell the truth about it.?

Is this religious bias, as some creationists charge? Hardly. It?s more than likely that the majority of scientists, environmentalists and others protesting the NPS stand are themselves intelligent, rational Christians who are convinced by overwhelming evidence that the Grand Canyon is no Johnny-Come-Lately. The creationists have demonstrated again that they are scientifically illiterate, and out of step with the 21st century.


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Re: creationism and the grand canyon... [Re: ricyjo]
    #3391155 - 11/20/04 10:19 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Does the government have a monopoly on parks in the Grand Canyon?

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Re: creationism and the grand canyon... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3391742 - 11/21/04 12:52 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like capitalism. The bookstores are just pandering this crap to creationist to make a buck which is fine with me. I hope the book is overpriced at that. The psalms on overlooks is scary though...

"And we, inhabitants of the great coral of the Cosmos, believe the atom (which still we cannot see) to be full matter, whereas, it too, like everything else, is but an embroidery of voids in the Void, and we give the name of being, dense and even eternal, to that dance of inconsistencies, that infinite extension that is identified with absolute Nothingness and that spins from its own non-being the illusion of everything."

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Re: creationism and the grand canyon... [Re: ricyjo]
    #3392682 - 11/21/04 10:19 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

someone should write a book called this:
Jeus Christ: His Ministry about God and Your are Dumb!

youi was a pig informatnt so you can go fuckyoruselfs

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Re: creationism and the grand canyon... [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3394974 - 11/21/04 09:56 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Yes be sure to have "Your" instead of "You're." That's the hallmark of the title.

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Re: creationism and the grand canyon... [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3395035 - 11/21/04 10:08 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)


question_for_joo said:
someone should write a book called this:
Jeus Christ: His Ministry about God and Your are Dumb!


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: creationism and the grand canyon... [Re: ricyjo]
    #3395209 - 11/22/04 05:49 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

The really funny thing is that your president probabaly believes this stuff too!

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