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Jail, or military. Which would you pick?
    #3390064 - 11/20/04 07:02 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/10203505.htm?template=

Jail, or join the military

Judge gives option to man in drug case

By GEORGE B. SANCHEZ

Herald Staff Writer

SALINAS

The Salinas marijuana peddler who killed a would-be robber in March was told Tuesday that he can avoid a jail term by enlisting in the military--an option that caught the prosecutor and defense lawyer off guard.

Brian Barr, 24, was scheduled to be sentenced Tuesday morning for felony possession of marijuana for sale, a charge he admitted last month.

The charge stemmed from a March 22 home-invasion robbery at Barr's South Salinas apartment. He shot and killed intruder John Herrera, 34, who had entered the apartment with two others in search of money and marijuana.

Barr was charged with marijuana possession after investigators determined he had hidden his marijuana supply after the shooting and even rifled through Herrera's pants pockets to retrieve marijuana.

Monterey County Judge Robert Moody said Tuesday that Herrera's shooting was justified and that gun possession, not the shooting, was the aggravating factor.

"This very situation is apt to arise" when someone selling drugs also has access to a gun, Moody said.

After announcing that the Probation Department had recommended 240 days in jail, and praising the probation officer assigned to the case, Moody gave Barr the option of enlistment instead.

"There's an awful lot of good in this young man," said Moody, citing Barr's record as a student, his civic involvement and his intervention in a Salinas bank robbery last year. Barr's father, William, is the county superintendent of education.

Deputy District Attorney Todd Hornik and defense lawyer Sam Lavorato Jr. said they were surprised.

"It was not something I expected," Hornik said later. "I've never seen it come up unsolicited or uninitiated from the bench at sentencing, when it hasn't been discussed."

Lavorato said he hadn't expected such an outcome.

"Today was a day set for judgment and sentencing," he said immediately following the ruling. "But this is an unusual case."

Hornik said people convicted of drug-related crimes often are sent to treatment rather than jail. In Juvenile Court, he said, he has seen military enlistment used as an alternative sentence. But he said the option of jail or the Army, common during the 1960s and 1970s, isn't something he has heard used recently.

"I think this young man would be an excellent candidate for one of the armed services," Moody said. He said that when he was bused to Monterey as a draftee 30 years ago, many of the other young men on board had chosen the Army over jail.

Barr is scheduled to return to court next month.


Edited by usefulidiot (11/20/04 07:08 PM)


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3390077 - 11/20/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

this is a disgrace.

i'd pick military.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: ]
    #3390209 - 11/20/04 07:51 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

jail... definitely.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3390216 - 11/20/04 07:54 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

depends on the job,
infantry canon fodder?
or flag waver on an aircraft carrier? :smirk:


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: Tao]
    #3390782 - 11/20/04 10:48 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

military, frontline. I ain't no pussy.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3390936 - 11/20/04 11:32 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

jail....old is better than dead. but what do they expect with such weird gun laws, or lack of.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3390963 - 11/20/04 11:39 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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kadakuda said:
jail....old is better than dead. but what do they expect with such weird gun laws, or lack of.



Lack of? 20,000+ isn't enough for you?


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3391095 - 11/21/04 12:06 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Jail, or join the military

No difference. You have few rights in either.

Does anyone else find it ironic that you have to abdicate many freedoms in order to fight "for freedom"? Essentially when joining the military, you become part of a non-democractic process to defend a democratic process. *scratches head*


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: Swami]
    #3391169 - 11/21/04 12:22 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Military, its easier to break out to the freedom I deserve...and then go awol during the first week of basic. As the song goes... "Freedoms just another word for nothing else to loose"


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3391351 - 11/21/04 01:05 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

It would depend on the specifics of each.


If it was a minimum security jail, I'd gladly take that over military.

If it was the Texas Air National Guard, I'd gladly take that over jail.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3391420 - 11/21/04 01:22 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

i would join the military..and then run off to canada and apply for refugee status...


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3391432 - 11/21/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they used to give people the option of joining the military because of the need for more troops in the Vietnam War?

I wonder what that says about our current status, and if this will become a more popular option to judges


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3391666 - 11/21/04 02:31 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

well ya theres lots. my point is my 18 year old friends can go into any gunshop and purchase semi autos, shotguns and lots of shit. he shows his id and gets his gun. he catn buy hand guns and fully autos and shit, but it is extremely easy to get there. which is why i say you (the gov) cant bitch about guns killing people when they seemingly dont take any reasonable steps to prevent it. but maybe thats jsut washington.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3391701 - 11/21/04 02:42 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

jail, 240 days in the clink or a 4 year tour of duty as Iraqi RPG target? No contest...

I'd like to point out that this kid's daddy is the county superintendent of education. Do you think had anything to do with it? I doubt anybody else on this board would have gotten the same option...


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3391883 - 11/21/04 03:47 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

id go in the mlitary, its alot easier to sneak out of that then jail.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: barfightlard]
    #3391891 - 11/21/04 03:50 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

if you go military do you then have a record? basicallyi am wondering about international travel and passports. does service somehow eliminate criminal record? and assuming it does waht if you get a disshonerable discharge?

seems military and having a physical condition would be the way to go, if what im hoping is true.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3392372 - 11/21/04 08:46 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I died in Iraq for selling nugget and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3392440 - 11/21/04 09:26 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

kadakuda said:
well ya theres lots. my point is my 18 year old friends can go into any gunshop and purchase semi autos, shotguns and lots of shit. he shows his id and gets his gun. he catn buy hand guns and fully autos and shit, but it is extremely easy to get there. which is why i say you (the gov) cant bitch about guns killing people when they seemingly dont take any reasonable steps to prevent it. but maybe thats jsut washington.



Are your friends going out and shooting or threatening to shoot people after buying the guns?


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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: downforpot]
    #3392449 - 11/21/04 09:31 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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downforpot said:
military, frontline. I enjoy dying.




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Re: Jail, or military. Which would you pick? [Re: Tao]
    #3392527 - 11/21/04 10:27 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

*edited by Rono*...No flaming.


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