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InvisibleSwami
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What is pro/anti-American?
    #3389534 - 11/20/04 04:44 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Never quite understood this.

Does being pro mean that you support every single act of every single government agency?

Or does being pro mean that if you have doubts, you NEVER exercise your free speech to voice discontent?

Does being pro mean you go along with the majority no matter which way the wind blows and wear a flag lapel pin?

Am I considered anti by some, merely for presenting an alternate viewpoint or for pointing out hypocracy or policy contradictions?

Am I considered anti by some for actually believing in morality by being against armed conflict as a solution?

I fail to see how I can be anti-American if I vote, pay taxes, follow her laws, enlist to protect her and make other societal contributions.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Swami]
    #3389551 - 11/20/04 04:48 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

your pro to your peers and anti to your oposites.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Swami]
    #3389570 - 11/20/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

simple...your pro-american if you blindly believe everything that comes out of bushco & the religious fundies' asses.. otherwise..your an anti-american terrorist...


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Swami]
    #3389571 - 11/20/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)



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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3390176 - 11/20/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

well, i guess it depends upon what your definition of "America" is... I've always thought that Thoreau was one of the "greatest" Americans - and yet, I think that by today's standard (or at least by the standard of Bush and Co), he would be a terrorist-supporting "anti-American"...


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Swami]
    #3390519 - 11/20/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

The way I look at it I think we got it good, at least, compared to every other country on this planet. Tell me a better one and I'll help you get there.

Why is America the subject? Why not "what is pro or anti China, Africa etc etc..." Its obvious you hate it here. Why stay and complain when theres tremendous opportunities elsewhere in this world?


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Stein]
    #3390653 - 11/20/04 10:07 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Ameria's a pretty good place to live, but there are several that are probably better.

For example, according to the UN human development index, which ranks countries on various factors such as poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, the US ranks eigth, after Norway, Sweeden, Australia, Canada, the netherlands, belgium, and iceland.


Although the US is the largest and richest country, it is not the richest per person. Luxemberg is.
To compare the standard of life in the US vs. Norway, for example (2003 statistics from CIA world factbook):
Measure..............USA.....Norway
GDP/person at PPP....37800...37800
Life expectancy......77.43...79.25
Infant mortality,
deaths/1000 live....6.63....3.73
literacy.............97%.....100%
Public Debt, %GDP....62.4....22.1 (it should be noted that these are official figures, and don't include social security or medicare)


I'm not unhappy living in the US now, and Norway has its share of problems (recently slow economic growth, overly burdonsome socialist state, aging population). I just thought I'd point out the problems with this: "we got it good, at least, compared to every other country on this planet."

Life in the US is good, and it's possible to be unhappy anywhere. But, there are other developed nations out there.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: phi1618]
    #3390734 - 11/20/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

i've lived in both Norway and the United States - and I would say that both have their share of problems. However, my subjective analysis is that the problems in the United States are much worse than the problems in Norway. One glaring difference - inner-city poverty. While Norway does have problems with impoverished rural communities - these communities get so much social-support from the state that all of the people have food, shelter, health-care, education, and so forth. And while Norway does have an increasing problem with heroin addiction in Bergen and Oslo, these heroin addicts all are provided with food, a home, and treatment whenever they so desire to go to treatment. Visit any major US city, and I guarantee that there are neighborhoods that simply aren't safe. Lots of crime, poverty, unemployment, drug traficking, weapons - to sum it up - poor, pissed off people who believe (perhaps rightly) that they have no future. That really does not exist in Norway. There is crime (to some extent) - there is drug traficking (to some extent) - but there isn't such a huge urban population living in literally 3rd world conditions.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Stein]
    #3390956 - 11/20/04 11:38 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

the only problem i have with norway is their environmental record. as with most europe they jsut used and abused many natural resources.

states as a country (land) is beautifull and i love it. but certain people make certain places a shithole (like most otehr countries).

if you dont like, it change it, dont be a pussy and crowd other peoples countries.

US iss a great place and lots of pro's but lots of grey areas to go with it.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Stein]
    #3391056 - 11/20/04 11:59 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Why is America the subject? Why not "what is pro or anti China, Africa etc etc..."
Feel free to start a thread on that. No one has ever accused me of being pro/anti China.

Its obvious you hate it here.
What is the "it" that you are referring to? What leads you to believe that I hate this mysterious "it"?


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Swami]
    #3391470 - 11/21/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Questioning what is pro-American is an anti-American activity!

IF YOU WANT TO QUESTION AMERICA WHY DON'T YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!

Doesn't really make any sense, but blind patriotism, or blind faith of any kind, never really does make much sense


I think pro-American has to do with the fact that you support the existence of America and the way it is run, even if you do not support all the smaller details like the individual laws, and anti-American is that you do not support America in its current state and would like to see it destroyed or the entire way it is run completely changed

Though being anti-American is not necessarily bad if America itself becomes bad enough, we are (supposedly) assured that we can change the government if it becomes too tyrannical, though in reality the government would never stand for that.

It is a personal definition though, so I don't know what you're looking for in this thread other than the personal definitions of pro and anti-Americanism by the responders


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Ravus]
    #3391492 - 11/21/04 01:39 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

they took errr jerbs!


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Stein]
    #3391508 - 11/21/04 01:44 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Stein said:
The way I look at it I think we got it good, at least, compared to every other country on this planet. Tell me a better one and I'll help you get there.

Why is America the subject? Why not "what is pro or anti China, Africa etc etc..." Its obvious you hate it here. Why stay and complain when theres tremendous opportunities elsewhere in this world?




boy is that ever an assumption, by "that" I mean saying this is the best coutnry in the world to live in.

also how about we go back to the subject of the thread instead of analyzing the poster.

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ideas such as anti or pro american are so loose that there isn't an exact definition. it is an idea that was created (by who we don't know) that just seperated people even more. I'm willing to bet that everyone is both pro and anti "america"


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #3391655 - 11/21/04 02:28 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

back to the pile my friend, back to the pile.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3391875 - 11/21/04 03:43 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

I'm simply Anti-Injustice, whoever carries it out - be it America, Russia, Israel, China, or India.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3391886 - 11/21/04 03:48 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

ya me too. skin colour and the shit we chant has no matter on whether killing is right or wrong.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Swami]
    #3392046 - 11/21/04 04:51 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

I'm anti stupid people  :thumbup:

Stupid has no race/creed/nationality.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3392274 - 11/21/04 07:20 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

zahudulallah said:
I'm simply Anti-Injustice, whoever carries it out - be it America, Russia, Israel, China, or India.



Unless the injustice is caused by muslims.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: Swami]
    #3392289 - 11/21/04 07:34 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Its obvious you hate it here.
What is the "it" that you are referring to? What leads you to believe that I hate this mysterious "it"?




That reminds me of when Clinton asked what the definition of "is" was.


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Re: What is pro/anti-American? [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3392591 - 11/21/04 11:20 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

"Un-american" pisses me off more. You hear bullshit like "he acted in an un-american way" as if America is synonymous with all that is good and righteous.


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