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OfflineNoodleSalad
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Growing Amanita Muscaria outside?
    #3382280 - 11/18/04 11:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I understand that it is almost impossible to grow inside but what about outside. If you how a suitable tree do you think you could do it? Also would it eventually kill the tree?


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3382344 - 11/18/04 11:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

No, it won't kill the tree.

The only thing you could do is drop some spores and hope for the best....

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3382569 - 11/19/04 12:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

isn't growing Amanita's like the holy grail??


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: aussieone]
    #3382572 - 11/19/04 01:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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aussieone said:
isn't growing Amanita's like the holy grail??


Pretty much... lol

I'm sure it has been "artificially" grown outdoors by inoculating large areas..

But it hasn't ever been grown indoors AFAIK.

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3382577 - 11/19/04 01:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

someone will find a way im sure :smile:


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: aussieone]
    #3382718 - 11/19/04 01:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I bet if you dug out a few dozen muscaria with all mycellium intact and planted them near tree roots they would grow fine, then next season would grow back? It's only a mushroom of mother nature right?


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: Super_Blunt]
    #3382725 - 11/19/04 01:52 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i'm curious as to what kinda of tree they grow on.. people say they cannot be grown indoors, but i've seen pleanty of indoor trees...

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3382745 - 11/19/04 01:57 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah indoor trees but not growing on something like WBS, but didnt somone not long ago find away to cultivate azures indoors??


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: aussieone]
    #3382769 - 11/19/04 02:08 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

you make a compost, plant say a ficus in it.. (as i have no idea what they grow on) ficus love water and natuarly produce a nice extensive root structure. If you cut a ficus down, it still grows back (provided you leave a couple leaves...(expirence, i have about 10 ficus's in my house now cause they don't stop growing, and i've cloned the bastards a few times) hell you could even cut the thing down completely, and i'm sure its root structure owuld not die right away.... so you'd have a bucket, with active roots that you could use to (hypotheticaly) grow Amanita Muscaria indoors. But like i say, i don't know much about amanita, nore what type of tree and root structure they like...

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3384606 - 11/19/04 02:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It has a symbiotic relationship with conifers, which do not do well indoors. It doesen't just grow with any tree.

AFAIK, it's not the trees roots necessarily that allow it to grow, but some other organism that is also colonizing the tree's roots. It's quite complex, or we would have people growing them.

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3384625 - 11/19/04 02:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

^^^ yeah what he said if you accomplish this tell everyone in the world and there mother

Only God cultivates Amanita Muscaria

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3384627 - 11/19/04 02:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post3196334

I was curious about that too, but I guess it can't really happen (or someone still has to figure out how)


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3384631 - 11/19/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Here they mainly grow side by side by the tree we know as "berk" or "birch".... The kinda white ones which really is a "northern" tree....


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3384664 - 11/19/04 02:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomFriend said:
Here they mainly grow side by side by the tree we know as "berk" or "birch".... The kinda white ones which really is a "northern" tree....


Oh really? Maybe I was wrong about the Conifer bit.

I guess now that I think about it, I have seen pictures of them growing under rhododendrons.

Interesting. Well, regardless.. I think that the reason it is so difficult to cultivate indoors is because, even if the tree can grow indoors, maybe that type of environment is inhospitibal to the other organism required for it to grow.

I would love to dedicate a few years to trying to get it to work. It seems amazing to me that someone hasn't figured it all out yet.

Hasn't Stamets ever studied them?

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3384679 - 11/19/04 02:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Rhododendrons are not native here, but the Amanita fly agaric is.
They do go in symbiosis with other trees, I noticed this fall, but mainly close to birch.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3384842 - 11/19/04 02:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think i would try and grow outdoors first. I have never seen them growing around here, but thats probaly because the climate is too dry. Although i have never looked for them. Does anyone know if they grow in Colorado? Maybe they under both birch and conifers.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3385186 - 11/19/04 03:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"The only thing you could do is drop some spores and hope for the best...."

No, you can definately make some spawn. You'd have a much better chance. Still, I haven't heard of this being completed.

Apparently after the mycellium begins growing with the roots, it can still take a year or two before any fruitbodies are formed.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3385205 - 11/19/04 03:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i dont think you should try to grow them, they are too mystical and beautiful to try and control with our science. not that other mushers arent beautiful, but im a landscaper and i find them muscarias at the edge of forests and it just makes me so happy to see them. i wouldnt feel the same way if i saw them in a lab.:)


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3385298 - 11/19/04 04:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

elgr said:
"The only thing you could do is drop some spores and hope for the best...."

No, you can definately make some spawn. You'd have a much better chance. Still, I haven't heard of this being completed.

Apparently after the mycellium begins growing with the roots, it can still take a year or two before any fruitbodies are formed.


What kind of spawn would you use? Would the mycelium grow on BRF? Prolly not... probably need a wood-based?

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: sunofogun]
    #3385474 - 11/19/04 04:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Where are you finding these at the edges of forests?

I live in Canada and I am not sure I have ever seen one in real life. It gets pretty fuckin cold here in winter. I have wondered if the winter kills off the mycelium, but I hear tell of Syberia being a common place for them to grow. Comments?

Also, I am going to Portland sometime in the next week or so for American thanksgiving, and want to know if I have any chance of finding some amanitas if I go for a nature hike there.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3385543 - 11/19/04 05:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Colorado I wouldnt know.... They like the rain huh! :laugh:
This year we had extremely many, maybe due to the rather wet summer....


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: sunofogun]
    #3385550 - 11/19/04 05:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It is THE mushroom in the old tales and mythes here. It is said that siberian shamans use(d) them and also the vikings.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3385757 - 11/19/04 06:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, you certainly do. :wink: I've found them growing here in Oregon a few times. Just gotta keep a look out....

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3385782 - 11/19/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I certainly do what? Lol have nice tits? :P

The season here is over now I dont see new ones popping upp.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3385850 - 11/19/04 06:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Was a response to recalcitrant . Shoulda quoted.

Oh, yeah.. they might be out of season now, dunno.

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3386383 - 11/19/04 08:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, u can do it. oi read a post about it in advanced cult here.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3387860 - 11/20/04 04:01 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Where are you finding these at the edges of forests?

I live in Canada and I am not sure I have ever seen one in real life. It gets pretty fuckin cold here in winter. I have wondered if the winter kills off the mycelium, but I hear tell of Syberia being a common place for them to grow. Comments?

Also, I am going to Portland sometime in the next week or so for American thanksgiving, and want to know if I have any chance of finding some amanitas if I go for a nature hike there.




Here in Holland they grow in parks, in forests (beside paths, and at edges). The winters here can be like -20 Celsius (everything between 10 and -20 Celsius is possible) and they can handle that.

Dont know about the US but here the fly agarics season is almost ended.


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3387866 - 11/20/04 04:04 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Here in the Pacific Northwest, our climate is quite similar to yours as far as I know.

We've been dropping into the lower 30s at night, so yeah.. I doubt they're very active anymore.. especially in the mountains.

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3387873 - 11/20/04 04:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

hEY DISCMAN! :laugh:

Caps. Try again MF, ok.

Hey Discman! :laugh:

I was wondering maybe you are an european, cause you often answer when most US citizens are asleep.

I wonder, are you upp very early or rather late?

Yes snow is starting now here, but it is like wet snow it doesnt stay on teh ground. But at nights it can get some degrees below freezing point now.

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3388018 - 11/20/04 05:36 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

No.. American. Night owl.. lol

Work swing shift, so midnight to 6am Pacific is when I'm around.

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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3388041 - 11/20/04 05:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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midnight to 6am Pacific is when I'm around




your nocturnal? :grin:


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Re: Growing Amanita Muscaria outside? [Re: discman1]
    #3388093 - 11/20/04 06:06 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Owls are cool creatures! :thumbup:

PAcific is how much difference with New York, 2 hours or so?


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