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Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods
    #3382275 - 11/18/04 11:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Spinning off from the other kratom thread here....
So it seems I'm not the only one who has found water extractions unsatisfactory for kratom. The problem is that removing the boiled plant matter weakens the tea significantly, while leaving it in produces a nauseating product.

This thread is for establishing a better tek for taking kratom.
I have a good amount of material to experiment with, so I will be trying the water extraction method a few more times, being more careful and boiling longer.

But whether that ends up working or not, there might be better ways, so if anyone has ideas post them here.

Here is basic Mitragynine info from erowid chemistry if it helps anyone:

NAME : mitragynine
CHEMICAL NAME : 9-methoxy-corynantheidine
CHEMICAL FORMULA C23H30N2O4
BOILING POINT : Freebase: 230-240? C
MOLECULAR WEIGHT : 398.495
SOLUABLE IN : alcohol, chloroform, acetic acid


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3382850 - 11/19/04 02:55 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Do you acidify your brew? It makes a world of difference.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3382872 - 11/19/04 03:04 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Lately I allways make the brew with an expresso-machine. It seems to extract the alkaloids much better, it goes very fast and I haven't experienced nausea anymore.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Funkey]
    #3382883 - 11/19/04 03:10 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Super critical extractions are awsome  :thumbup:


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3383060 - 11/19/04 06:29 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I see that it is soluable in acetic acid.... add a few drops of vinegar to the water. That should help in the extraction and not add much to the taste.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3391108 - 11/20/04 10:09 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

>>Super critical extractions are awsome

Espresso machines are not as good as one would think. I've read much about their usage increasing extractions of alkaloids from many plant matters, including coffee, to be a misnomer, but widely believed by all. This won't hold true for all things, but coffee it does, make me suspiscious of everything now.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: neuro]
    #3392621 - 11/21/04 09:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I've only used my stove top expresso maker with poppy pods, and for that it's great. I can't comment on other materials, but I'm willing to try it with kratom.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3392679 - 11/21/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

to me, water extractions work fine.

i think the best way is to just get the premium powder, add hot water, and drink it all up including the powder. though that is a little more expensive.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Locus]
    #3392702 - 11/21/04 10:34 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

neuro, why do you say the expresso maker isn't so good? It will take anything out that water can extract and many things insoluable in cool or even hot water. The water is going through a vapor stage as it passes through and is a froth of steam and boiling water. It will take out just about everything from what you are using. You could put a little vinegar in the water or lemon juice to get more, I suppose. Might not be good to leave that in the maker very long and not at all if it's aluminum.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3392851 - 11/21/04 11:50 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes when I have to get out of bed at 4 a.m. to go to my work, I fill the expresso machine with a spoon of coffee and 2 spoons of premium grade kratom powder to get me through the morning and found it to be a perfect morning ally! If it wasn't addictive, I think I would do this every morning.

A little while ago I made a pure kratom-expresso and tasted the remaing pulp afterwards, and it had absolutely no bitter taste anymore.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Funkey]
    #3392900 - 11/21/04 12:07 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

in my opinion, it really isn't so addictive. i think in terms of addiction, it really pales in comparison to opiates.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3393047 - 11/21/04 12:55 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

>>neuro, why do you say the expresso maker isn't so good? It will take anything out that water can extract and many things insoluable in cool or even hot water. The water is going through a vapor stage as it passes through and is a froth of steam and boiling water. It will take out just about everything from what you are using.

I'm not saying specifically it isn't so good. But I'm skeptical of its hailed and praised efficiency. The idea is good, hot forced steam, but in the case of coffee espresso from an espresso maker contains less caffiene than coffee made in a drop and stand system. It sounds counter-intuitive I know. The reasoning was that the process is too quick in the espresso maker so even though it seems like a super-critical hot compression, it's really not.

Now I don't think this means that the method the espresso maker employs is bad and yields not a good product as thought, but i think it's the espresso makers themselves.

I read this about 2 weeks ago in a book I was reading for one of my classes, now I can't seem to find it. It was in one of those boxes that is set aside from the main text and it's pissing me off that i can't find it again. It had exact numbers and everything.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: neuro]
    #3393365 - 11/21/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The expresso maker is not 100% efficient. You need at least 2 passes to get all the goodies but it takes about 5 minutes per pass with no muss, no fuss. It's nearly foolproof which makes it attractive. As to the supercritical fluid theory, it seems to work, that's all I can say. Since the water is in transition between gas and liquid it does make sense. It will bring through stuff that's not water soluable or just slightly soluable. For making poppy tea it's the nuts.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3393773 - 11/21/04 05:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

This is my idea. Any Suggestions?

10 mg premium powder
2 oz Everclear
1 0z lemon juice

Place materials in glass jar for a few hours. Put into coffe filter and run two cups through. Split with a friend.

Or just drink all in a tea.

What's the purpose of boiling it?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: schmutzen]
    #3393775 - 11/21/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

don't you mean gram?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: gdman]
    #3393979 - 11/21/04 05:48 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, gram. So would it be an efficient method?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: schmutzen]
    #3394145 - 11/21/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think you need the alcohol. That would impact on the effect a lot. People just boil it in water or add a little lemon juice to the water. Boiling helps disolve the goodies.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3394312 - 11/21/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I'll take your word for it, and try the boiling with lemon juice.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: schmutzen]
    #3394329 - 11/21/04 07:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Acidity always helps bring the alkaloids out! You won't be dissapointed.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Lifenergy]
    #3394521 - 11/21/04 08:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I did a water extraction, a few drops of vinegar added (so it wouldn't make the taste worse than it already is), 10g of powdered kratom, boiled twice and filtered well. Mild effects.

The next day i made a tea with 6g and drank grounds and all.
Much much better effects. Reminded me of the first times i ate a nice amount of clean MDMA just not so speedy. Intense euphoria and an amazing body high. Never tried opiates so i can't compare.

So i also got the idea water extractions are not that good, even with acidity present. Or perhaps i should have just added more acid.

A possible alternative may be 2g parachutes. I've seen people do that with powdered mushrooms. They should be a bit big but small enough to be swallowed, i think.
If someone were to ingest 3 or 4 of those i'm sure he'd have nice effects...
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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: esin]
    #3394540 - 11/21/04 08:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

that's a good idea, I'll have to try that... what kind of paper would you use, rolling paper?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: gdman]
    #3394656 - 11/21/04 08:47 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Rolling paper or tissue paper. Tissue paper may be best for such large parachutes because it is softer and probably easier to swallow. I also heard in an ODD thread it melts faster.

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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: esin]
    #3394682 - 11/21/04 08:51 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

ok definitly, if I don't do it within th enext day or so, it won't be untill after thanksgiving weekend.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3395286 - 11/22/04 10:13 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The most efficient way is to take very finely powdered herb in a tablespoon, dump onto back of tongue, and chase with hot water or hot water/lemon juice mix.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Organic]
    #3395441 - 11/22/04 08:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hey all thanks for the good input!
esin: Interesting idea. I have read a thread though that said gel capping and swallowing was not very effective compared to tea. Also erowid says "traditionally when the leaves are eaten a hot liquid is drunk immediately afterwards" or something to that effect. This makes me think hot liquid is crucial to bring out the alkaloids. Also I'm not sure I would want to eat rolling papers regularly :smile:
But yeah try it out and post back.
Organic: You're absolutley right. But the idea is to not have to eat the kratom directly. It get's really gross.
Anyways good input everyone!
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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Organic]
    #3395449 - 11/22/04 08:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

certainly is, did it today


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: gdman]
    #3395685 - 11/22/04 08:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

did you notice any increase in the duration of effect?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Organic]
    #3395737 - 11/22/04 08:58 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

ehh the duration is useually long, very long, wether I use water extraction or not, I used alittle less though this time round, if I ate my normal amount, that would be something, still sorta feeling it. It was a little more intense, I guess.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: gdman]
    #3395783 - 11/22/04 09:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Would grapefruit potentiate kratom like it does opiates?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Lifenergy]
    #3395785 - 11/22/04 09:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

not sure


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Lifenergy]
    #3396041 - 11/22/04 10:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I was wondering the same thing myself, I think it's Celestial Seasonings makes a tea called Metabolife with concetrated grapefruit alkaloids, i might give that a go.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: schmutzen]
    #3396336 - 11/22/04 11:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

i dnt think grapfrit potentiates opaites. it potentiates diazapam though. hmm althought it does mention here http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/opiates/opiates_info3.shtml most of teh sources are anonymous. and i dont recall reading a label on opaites that says avoidn grapfruit juice. so even if it did work it wouldnt work very well as with morphien it could be very dangerous.

also it could interfear with the metabolization, and potentially decrease effect. i dont know forsure though this is just my thoughts. play safe ,experiment.



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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Lifenergy]
    #3397030 - 11/23/04 03:54 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: the man]
    #3397031 - 11/23/04 03:55 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

of coarse gf juice potentiates opiates, dunno about kratom though, but ive always wondered.
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i think hot water is essential, at least in my trials with kratom. eating it straight with cold water gave far less of a buzz then drinking with hot water. And ive done this a few times with the same results and always considered tolerance so it was a fair comparison.

ive tried eating with a spoonful before though, i would never recommend it. its way too difficult and disgusting. if you're going to eat it, put it in a cup and pour hot or boiling water on it and let it cool off a bit so you're able to drink it, but it should still be hot. it will still be disgusting, but drink as much as possible, then when the water gets low, pour cold water in, and drink and pour till you get it all out. of coarse use premium kratom so its powdered best and you wont need as much. at least this is how i do it and ive found this to be the best way for me when eating it. and eating it is the way to get the best effects.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Organic]
    #3397266 - 11/23/04 06:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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The most efficient way is to take very finely powdered herb in a tablespoon, dump onto back of tongue, and chase with hot water or hot water/lemon juice mix.




Ugghh. That was still nasty. But much better than drinking a big mug of drek. I'm chasing with hot water, I don't have lemon juice but I'll try that next time.... Damn this was definitely better, it makes me want to buy a kilo.  :cool:

Fuck. I fear this is going to be scheduled in the next couple of years. I want some plants before then, so I can respect the ban in the same way I respect the bans on shrooms, weed, and khat.  :wink: Thanks for the info. I really enjoy this forum.

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    #3397905 - 11/23/04 11:02 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Glad you enjoyed :smile: The taste of a big spoonful will become easier to handle as you get used to the better effect :smile:

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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Organic]
    #3398060 - 11/23/04 11:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

take 7grams K
grind to powder
spread peanut butter on 2 pieces of bread
pour K powder in between the 2 pieces of bread
eat!
ENJOY!
this does a great job of masking the taste!just dont take your time or the taste will start to shine through.
i puke everytime i make a tea.the sandwich method really helps with the nausea


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: skullfarmer1979]
    #3401732 - 11/24/04 01:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Just got a kilo of good kratom. Did 7.5 g via the "take a spoonful and dump it on the back of your tongue, chase with hot water" method.

Still feeling it from 9:30 or so (it's 1 here), so definately the most effective way of injesting. It was, however, the nastiest thing ever to eat. I literally gagged and came very close to vomiting as soon as I put it in my mouth. It's just so dry and powdery that you cannot swallow...ugh never again will I do that.
Anyways I'll try parachuting next time, and improved water extractions afterwards. Peace


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3405239 - 11/24/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

can anyone answer on what kind of dose u would need to feel it with kratom premium ground powder?

also what about the resin extract? (1g is supposed to equal 7g of leaves)

i know that maybe someone has posted it before, but i have been lurking around the kratom threads for a while and am wondering about an ESTIMATE or other users opinions!
- ive never done it before


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: whitegreyhat]
    #3405281 - 11/24/04 05:49 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

6-7g of mrkratom premium was a solid dose for me the first time i dosed properly. Smoke some good greens once you feel strong effects from the kratom :nut:


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: esin]
    #3408637 - 11/25/04 04:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

okay :smile:


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: whitegreyhat]
    #3415079 - 11/27/04 04:06 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I bought a bottle of (multi-)vitamines in CAPSULES(large capsules),
opened the capsules and throw content in the sink.
I fill the capsules with kratom and press it togheter with an earpiece, then close the capsules
This way I'm able to fill one capsule with 0.6 grams kratom.
Then I swallow them drinking a cup of coffee. This works great, goes fast and is very easy to do.
For me, 15 grams of commercial grade kratom is enough to make tea. It's very hard to drink it without gagging(I have to add sugar and lemon juice) and I can only drink what's extracted and not eat the powder that's left.(when I'm brewing tea, the smell reminds me in some way of spinach....Popeye on kratom?)
With capsules I only need 10-11 grams to have the same effect. I know it's an awfull lot of capsules to swallow (18-20) but it goes very fast. I'm going to order some premium powder so I can lower the dose (by 2 or 3??)
btw: now you can also carry your kratom with you to places where it's diff. to brew tea;)

Important: If you're going to try this, be carefull not to do it with medicine capsules.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3419439 - 11/28/04 02:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I just ate kratom withg oreos just to expirment, I took apart the cookie and put some powder in, had to eat a bunch of cookies though.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: gdman]
    #3425575 - 11/29/04 10:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, I did a water extraction on Friday...and did it right this time...EXCELLENT results! I finally found my method of choice.

Basically I followed the process on mrkratom.com for a large batch of tea...some notes though:
-I added quite a bit of pure citric acid to the water. I think this helped alot to get the alkaloids out.
-I used alot of water to start with, but ended up with a fairly concentrated solution.
-I boiled the kratom for an hour, strained and then boiled again in new acidic water for another half hour.
-I saved all of the liquid portions and strained many times through a metal strainer, so no water was lost (with paper you lose some good stuff).

I ended up getting an ounce of kratom into 400mls water...so i drink a couple shots and wash it down with hot tea...and I'm definately where I should be at if I consumed the plant matter....
Only it was MUCH MUCH more pleasant as it was just a little bit of what tasted like "Kratom lemonade" (I added alot of sugar in my glass), and NO SLUDGE!

So I'm a happy camper...THANKS TO EVERYONE!


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3425630 - 11/29/04 10:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

tea works best for me ^__^


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3465461 - 12/08/04 03:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What is the best method for ingesting Premium Kratom Resin? Do you boil it in water, or crush and powder it? eat it?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Frappy]
    #3467189 - 12/08/04 08:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think infusing it into water, the stuff that looks like rock candy, would taste nice.. The smoke smells very pleasant and it tastes good too. Not very effective as eating it in my opinion.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: neuro]
    #3500439 - 12/14/04 09:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I wish i could make extract but it never works, i get a choclatey looking rsin but it has no effects same with tea. i spoke with mr kratom and he said he has had the same problem with teas and extracts, and he thinks other retailers may have a secrete way of extracting their nice resins. well im gonna stick with the nasty spooning into my mouth and maybe try the parachute methode. i once mixed kratom with some water and honey to see if it went down easyerer. ewwww it was the worst honey mud i ever ate


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: AhronZombi]
    #3508417 - 12/16/04 11:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

bump!
enjoying a very dark kratom tea right now.
bitter for sure! :argh:


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3508431 - 12/16/04 11:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hmm I mixed a dose with some hot chocolate with a bit of viniger (not enough for tatse really, just for the acid) and an little bit of extra sugar, was not bad.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: gdman]
    #3508442 - 12/16/04 11:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i should add some i guess.
+ there is that solid material at the base,
thinking about that
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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3508448 - 12/16/04 11:26 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

was already enjoyed :smile:, that's what I have done the past couple of times :smile:.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: gdman]
    #3508478 - 12/16/04 11:33 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ohh
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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3508621 - 12/16/04 12:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I've had pretty good success with both tea and espresso.

In the case of tea, I didn't acidify it. What I did was to brew it several times. I put the kratom in a tea bag, boiled for a while, removed the tea and added water. I repeated this process until the resulting tea was only minimally bitter - 4 or 5 times. I then boiled the tea to a managable amount and drank with honey.

The espresso was more concentrated. I brewed about 4 batches of espresso with the same kratom, until the result was less bitter. There was substantially less water resulting, but the effects were very good.


All that preparation's a bit of a pain, though, so next time I'll try just washing down some powder, see if it works as well.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: phi1618]
    #3532528 - 12/22/04 04:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I live in the UK and can only get kratom as the red/brown resin - 6 grams at a time, or 6 capsules, i'm guessing 1 gram per capsule.

What would be my best option?  Boiling up resin with lemon juice or knocking back the six caps with a hot drink?

Also, has anyone got advice on taking kratom with ketamine - good/bad?  Not sure what the effects would be with a disociative.  Also, do people take xtc with kratom?

Thanks in advance for any help :smile:


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: ketkat]
    #3532552 - 12/22/04 04:50 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

you getting it off the red frog?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: ketkat]
    #3533124 - 12/22/04 07:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

>>What would be my best option? Boiling up resin with lemon juice or knocking back the six caps with a hot drink?

You don't really need to add the lemon juice if you have the resin, especially the rock candy looking stuff. Only reason may be to change flavor. But i think the rock candy stuff tastes good as it is and when it's smoked.

I think taking it with ketamine may be possibly pretty dangerous

And i think taking it with MDMA would dull the MDMA experience a little.

I like kratom best with marijuana.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: neuro]
    #3533222 - 12/22/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

OK ive got live plants of Kratom which are still yet to grow big enough to consume. I had to just jump in and buy them before they are made illegal on new years day '05 in Australia.

Just a few question whats the powder actually made from, just the leaves? dried then powdered ?

Can the stems of the plant be used aswell?

Ive heard White vein is smoother than Red vein Kraotm, any truth with this ?


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: esin]
    #10776949 - 07/31/09 08:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

One thing ive noticed, if you try to just swig it down with powder or leaves, use moderately warm water, not cold.  the cold water doesnt really dissolve kratom that well.  I put a spoonful in my mouth.  Follow with some warm water, swish around, swallow. Chase with some more water or beverage.  Cold water seems to get my gag reflex going much more !! blechh!


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: whitegreyhat]
    #10777069 - 07/31/09 08:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

you can just eat the resin, it's smooth and pliable like clay, just roll it up into a few balls and take like pills.

Definitely IMO the easiest way to consume, but by far the most expensive. 15$ worth of resin (3gs) is like one dose


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    #10777122 - 07/31/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Resin that's made from a water extraction is not very potent, it's better when it's made from solvents, as mitragynine and 7OHM are not very water soluble.


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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: fireshaman]
    #10777608 - 07/31/09 10:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Why did this thread get resurrected? Really though?

Wrong forum anyway. Needs to be locked.

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Re: Improving Kratom Ingestion Methods [Re: Mankey]
    #10778433 - 08/01/09 02:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Like the avatar Mank :thumbup:

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