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The path out of Iraq.
    #3381628 - 11/18/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

to me the path out is when Iraq units are on the streets operating against the insurgency. i just wonder when this will be.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3381721 - 11/18/04 10:52 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

unfortunately, the "insurgency" isn't mainly composed of foreign "jihadists" who are seizing a political opportunity in Iraq... i'd say (and true, i haven't been there myself...) it's mainly composed of Iraqis who have been pissed upon by the West and their own government for the past God knows how many years. In my opinion, the only way to bring peace to Iraq is to actually address the honest concerns of these people - and their desire for actual self-determination. The question is - what if the desire of the Iraqi people is a government that is not Washington-friendly? Will we allow them to freely choose that government? :shrug:


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: Krishna]
    #3381747 - 11/18/04 10:56 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

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The question is - what if the desire of the Iraqi people is a government that is not Washington-friendly? Will we allow them to freely choose that government? :shrug:




the answer is: Not a chance in hell.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3381787 - 11/18/04 11:02 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

i am just wanting to get the fuck out.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3381877 - 11/18/04 11:27 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I don't know.

What I do know is, the pep-rallying assholes there will proclaim it as a military victory when we do choose to cease operations there even if it's after 100 years.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3381922 - 11/18/04 11:37 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

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i am just wanting to get the fuck out.




Fat chance while Bush is in office.
Till his last day in office, he will try to convert Iraq into the America's hub in the Mid East.

I don't follow the Green party on everything, but I think David Cobb's proposed solution is spot on. We need to make an immediate and very puplic apology to the people of Iraq for the war. We need to train the Iraqis as best we can in the next several months, then get every single US soldier out of the country and actually hand it over to them. And we then need to take all the money Bush had allotted toward their reconstruction and give it to them as reparations, allowing the Iraqi government and its people to spend it and rebuild as they see fit.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: Gijith]
    #3381960 - 11/18/04 11:51 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Iran will apparently be the new war front.

Bush has recently called them out on the development of nuclear bombs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61079-2004Nov18.html


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: ricyjo]
    #3382035 - 11/19/04 12:10 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

now THAT is going to be a bloody one.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #3382104 - 11/19/04 12:28 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I think bush and the neocons actually think they have gained leverage in the ME with the Iraq war. By calling out Iran now he thinks they will be fearful of the US invading...god save us all


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3382151 - 11/19/04 12:36 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

They don't have missles that can reach US soil.

Think now, where would Iraq's neighbor like to land a nuclear warhead...


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: ricyjo]
    #3382218 - 11/19/04 12:55 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Israel....twice


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3383363 - 11/19/04 11:00 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

paris?


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: ricyjo]
    #3384771 - 11/19/04 04:35 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

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They don't have missles that can reach US soil.

Think now, where would Iraq's neighbor like to land a nuclear warhead...




That is a non-issue. It is well known that long before iran could complete a nuke Israel will lob a few missiles over there and end their process in turn creating a nuclear disaster. Now after that who knows. At least we don't have Kerry giving nuclear fuel to Iran, that one still cracks me up.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: d33p]
    #3384894 - 11/19/04 04:59 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Intelligence gathering could be a difficult business.

Sometimes the answer to the question of which countries would use nuclear weapons against another is answered by providing those very countries with the information and materials they need to accomplish the task while monitoring their behaviours and establishing obvious intent. Being caught red handed with undeniable proof is the best justification for action.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: ricyjo]
    #3384977 - 11/19/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

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Intelligence gathering could be a difficult business.

Sometimes the answer to the question of which countries would use nuclear weapons against another is answered by providing those very countries with the information and materials they need to accomplish the task while monitoring their behaviours and establishing obvious intent. Being caught red handed with undeniable proof is the best justification for action.




I'm not saying Israel would use nukes, they would just create a nuclear disaster when their missiles demolish the Iranian reactors.

As for Iran and their nuclear program, their intent is obvious. To believe they are running the program for any other reason than weaponry is naive.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: d33p]
    #3387088 - 11/20/04 01:55 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

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As for Iran and their nuclear program, their intent is obvious. To believe they are running the program for any other reason than weaponry is naive.




Of course thats why. They will have nukes before long no matter what. The U.N. should be poking around their like hell if they weren't so incompetent. And Israel too for that matter...why do they have the right to own Nukes but not Iran. They both can't be trusted with 'em


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3387151 - 11/20/04 02:20 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Maybe it's because they [iran] dropped out of the nuclear proliferation treaty agreements in 03?


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: d33p]
    #3388098 - 11/20/04 08:08 AM (12 years, 19 days ago)

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To believe they are running the program for any other reason than weaponry is naive.




Where is the proof then? I was under the impression that nuclear power was a very effective power source....


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: d33p]
    #3388338 - 11/20/04 10:41 AM (12 years, 19 days ago)

To believe they are running the program for any other reason than weaponry is naive.

One sure fire way of making sure the americans don't invade your country tho. They only invade countries they know don't have WMD.


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Re: The path out of Iraq. [Re: GazzBut]
    #3389165 - 11/20/04 02:44 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

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To believe they are running the program for any other reason than weaponry is naive.




Where is the proof then? I was under the impression that nuclear power was a very effective power source....




Power flows out of the ground over there, their intent is obvious.


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