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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out
    #3381489 - 11/18/04 09:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This ought to be a good one.

Canada's pot activist community is organizing a protest where marijuana will be consumed in public. As close to Bush's face as possible.

Marc Emery, the Canadian movement's figurehead, will be there personally.

I really hope this one goes well. Shouldn't be too hard since so many people smoke grass in Canada and so many people disapprove of Bush too.

Be there...if you can...on Nov 30th and Dec 1st. Parliament Hill.





George Bush to visit Ottawa
by Dana Larsen (17 Nov, 2004) Canadian marijuana movement plans protest during US President's visit

Canadian marijuana activists are planning a Parliament Hill smoke-in to protest a visit from George W Bush. The US President recently announced that he is planning a two-day trip to Canada's capital of Ottawa on Tuesday November 30 and Wednesday December 1.

"I think Bush will arrive on the Tuesday evening for an official dinner hosted by the Prime Minister, not the Governor General," said Parliamentary CTV news reporter Mike Duffy. "And then I expect the next day they will hold a series of bilateral meetings."

The visit is intended to be somewhat low-key, with Bush skipping some of the traditional formalities associated with a visiting head of state. Bush will be meeting directly with Prime Minister Paul Martin and other senior officials, but he will not be making an official speech to MPs and Senators in a joint session of Parliament.

"The buzz here is that the Bush White House does not want to have demonstrators or any kind of an outburst in a joint session," Duffy said.

Although Bush will seek to avoid protests and demonstrations, activists across Canada from a variety of causes will likely be converging upon Ottawa to protest the US President's visit. Marijuana activists intend on getting their people out to have a protest on Parliament Hill during Bush's visit.

"We will be holding a mass smoke-in during Bush's visit," said Marc Emery, publisher of Cannabis Culture and President of the BC Marijuana Party. "I want to get busloads of people from across Canada to converge upon Parliament Hill. I will be speaking from 3:30 to 4:20pm on both days, and we will smoke out the hill. We want to show that Canadians love marijuana, and that we will no longer stand for the American war against our people, our plant and our culture."

Emery urged pot-people to make plans to travel to Ottawa and join in the protest. "This is a unique opportunity for us to make our point directly to President Bush. US media will pick up our protest, and we need to show our American neighbours that Canadians are resolute in our opposition to the drug war. We are the light at the end of their dark drug war tunnel."

The Presidential visit was only announced today, two weeks before it is scheduled. "They waited until the last minute to announce this visit because they don't want us to have time to organize a substantial protest," added Emery. "So we have to get onto this quickly and get moving. Anyone who wants to volunteer to help get people to this protest should contact me by email."


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3381583 - 11/18/04 09:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

haha nice..if I get either day off work I'll probably go check it out


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3381598 - 11/18/04 09:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you guys want to smoke that's cool, but I have yet to see anybody actually try to reason with Bush about a sensible drug policy. Most people that favor legal marijuana in the States adopt a very antagonist stance towards the man, and so of course nothing gets accomplished. Why would he listen to people who think he's a Nazi?

I would like to see somebody actually TALK with him about drug policy reform. That is how you get stuff done. As it is Bush has probobly never encountered a rational marijuana lobyist.


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3381622 - 11/18/04 09:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So you're giving the police a good, legal reason to disperse the protest?

If you really want to protest, then why not make it peaceful and legal?


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3381639 - 11/18/04 09:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We've done it before, and we'll probably do it again

The police don't particularly care

Because it is a peaceful and legal protest


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: ekomstop]
    #3381657 - 11/18/04 09:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if you could really get every canadian pot smoker to light up, in public, there's no way in hell they could arrest them all... best of luck to you guys! And Divided_Sky - what do you think NORML is? They certainly aren't irrational at all - but according this current administration, if you smoke pot, you support terrorists (and it's not just a left-wing exageration - they have actually made commercials saying that exact sentence!). i'm sorry, but last i recalled, Al-Qaieda didn't really have any hydroponic equipment hidden in Afghanistan.... :shrug:


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: Krishna]
    #3381827 - 11/18/04 10:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Krishna said:
last i recalled, Al-Qaieda didn't really have any hydroponic equipment hidden in Afghanistan.... :shrug:



It's in Iran man....They shipped it there before the war.


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: z@z.com]
    #3381853 - 11/18/04 10:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so what politicians are doing something for Norlm? any in office?


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3381892 - 11/18/04 10:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Have a good protest. That is all.


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: PopeHypocriteIII]
    #3388265 - 11/20/04 08:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So when you all get lung cancer from smoking pot will you expect the tax payer to pay the bill?


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3388384 - 11/20/04 10:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why would he listen to people who think he's a Nazi?

Because he's the president and listening to people is supposed to be his fucking job?


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: Xlea321]
    #3388659 - 11/20/04 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
Why would he listen to people who think he's a Nazi?

Because he's the president and listening to people is supposed to be his fucking job?




:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You think listening to people is his JOB???? Your psychiatrist's job is to listen to people.  The president of the United States' job is to lead, which entails considering information, deciding on a course of action and then taking steps to see that the selected course of action is implemented.  He is most certainly not obliged to consider one shred of the bleatings from the vicious wing of the opposition.  And you can take that to your next therapy session.  Your shrink will listen and if he is a professional he will be able to restrain himself from laughiing insanely


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3389206 - 11/20/04 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

wow, I just can't stand your posts sometimes, well.. most of the time actually. Do you get some kind of a kick dissing ppl over the internet?


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3389307 - 11/20/04 02:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

An artcle from the Toronto sun.

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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Content...ol=968350116795

Should Canada indict Bush?

THOMAS WALKOM

11/15/04 "Toronto Star" -- When U.S. President George W. Bush arrives in Ottawa ? probably later this year ? should he be welcomed? Or should he be charged with war crimes?

It's an interesting question. On the face of it, Bush seems a perfect candidate for prosecution under Canada's Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes Act.

This act was passed in 2000 to bring Canada's ineffectual laws in line with the rules of the new International Criminal Court. While never tested, it lays out sweeping categories under which a foreign leader like Bush could face arrest.

In particular, it holds that anyone who commits a war crime, even outside Canada, may be prosecuted by our courts. What is a war crime? According to the statute, it is any conduct defined as such by "customary international law" or by conventions that Canada has adopted.

War crimes also specifically include any breach of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, such as torture, degradation, wilfully depriving prisoners of war of their rights "to a fair and regular trial," launching attacks "in the knowledge that such attacks will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians" and deportation of persons from an area under occupation.

Outside of one well-publicized (and quickly squelched) attempt in Belgium, no one has tried to formally indict Bush. But both Oxfam International and the U.S. group Human Rights Watch have warned that some of the actions undertaken by the U.S. and its allies, particularly in Iraq, may fall under the war crime rubric.

The case for the prosecution looks quite promising. First, there is the fact of the Iraq war itself. After 1945, Allied tribunals in Nuremberg and Tokyo ? in an astonishing precedent ? ruled that states no longer had the unfettered right to invade other countries and that leaders who started such conflicts could be tried for waging illegal war.

Concurrently, the new United Nations outlawed all aggressive wars except those authorized by its Security Council.

Today, a strong case could be made that Bush violated the Nuremberg principles by invading Iraq. Indeed, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has already labelled that war illegal in terms of the U.N. Charter.

Second, there is the manner in which the U.S. conducted this war.

The mistreatment of prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison is a clear contravention of the Geneva Accord. The U.S. is also deporting selected prisoners to camps outside of Iraq (another contravention). U.S. press reports also talk of shadowy prisons in Jordan run by the CIA, where suspects are routinely tortured. And the estimated civilian death toll of 100,000 may well contravene the Geneva Accords prohibition against the use of excessive force.

Canada's war crimes law specifically permits prosecution not only of those who carry out such crimes but of the military and political superiors who allow them to happen.

What has emerged since Abu Ghraib shows that officials at the highest levels of the Bush administration permitted and even encouraged the use of torture.

Given that Bush, as he likes to remind everyone, is the U.S. military's commander-in-chief, it is hard to argue he bears no responsibility.

Then there is Guantanamo Bay. The U.S. says detainees there do not fall under the Geneva accords. That's an old argument.

In 1946, Japanese defendants explained their mistreatment of prisoners of war by noting that their country had never signed any of the Geneva Conventions. The Japanese were convicted anyway.

Oddly enough, Canada may be one of the few places where someone like Bush could be brought to justice. Impeachment in the U.S. is most unlikely. And, at Bush's insistence, the new international criminal court has no jurisdiction over any American.

But a Canadian war crimes charge, too, would face many hurdles. Bush was furious last year when Belgians launched a war crimes suit in their country against him ? so furious that Belgium not only backed down under U.S. threats but changed its law to prevent further recurrences.

As well, according to a foreign affairs spokesperson, visiting heads of state are immune from prosecution when in Canada on official business. If Ottawa wanted to act, it would have to wait until Bush was out of office ? or hope to catch him when he comes up here to fish.

And, of course, Canada's government would have to want to act. War crimes prosecutions are political decisions that must be authorized by the federal attorney-general.

Still, Prime Minister Paul Martin has staked out his strong opposition to war crimes. This was his focus in a September address to the U.N. General Assembly.

There, Martin was talking specifically about war crimes committed by militiamen in far-off Sudan. But as my friends on the Star's editorial board noted in one of their strong defences of concerted international action against war crimes, the rule must be, "One law for all."

Thomas Walkom writes every Tuesday. twalkom@thestar.ca.

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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: chodamunky]
    #3389314 - 11/20/04 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't understand how a country like Canada that is so far North can be such a big marijuana country when marijuana is a tropical plant and needs lots of sunlight to grow. Do they import it from Mexico?


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3389324 - 11/20/04 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

question_for_joo said:
I don't understand how a country like Canada that is so far North can be such a big marijuana country when marijuana is a tropical plant and needs lots of sunlight to grow. Do they import it from Mexico?




High pressure sodium light fixtures = k3y


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3389327 - 11/20/04 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cannabis can grow just about anywhere


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: ekomstop]
    #3389337 - 11/20/04 02:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why Bush is coming to bother us


http://www.zetetics.com/mac/blog/00000624.html

11/18/2004 Entry: "NAFTA-plus"

I don't know what to make of this article by Joseph Farah, editor and publisher of WorldNetDaily, which lambastes the idea of NAFTA-plus - a plan that some have called the "deep integration" of US and Canada. And, oh yes, Mexico too. (In writing that last sentence fragment, I heard the voice of the Wicked Witch of Oz saying, "And your little dog, Toto, too!" Somehow Mexico is always an after-thought.)

I know what I think of NAFTA-plus - I don't like it. But I don't know how seriously to take the sky-is-falling attitude of Farah who seems to believe it would be the death of American sovereignty -- Canadian and Mexican sovereignty he's not too worried about. Nor do I know how likely the plan is to succeed.

What is NAFTA-plus? Intriguingly, it is a plan that both socialists and fundamentalist Christians oppose.

To secure a closer Canada-US partnership, the Bush administration wants to make sure that Canada addresses US concerns about our shared border serving as an entry point for terrorists. And, oh yes!, it wants to tap into Canada's cannon-fodder potential as well as its natural resources. Natural resources: Canada is not merely an oil and electric energy exporter, it is by far the world's largest untapped source of lumber, natural gas, clean water, mineral deposits, etc. Cannon-fodder: there are all those fresh-scrubbed Canadian boys and girls who could be shipped overseas instead of fresh-scrubbed American ones to die for corporate profits and neocon dreams.

NAFTA-plus calls for Canada to direct massive tax dollars toward border and domestic security, in addition to beefing up our military so that it can participate both in crises within North America and overseas. (The Canadian military is a bit of a joke and, frankly, I like it that way. I'm sure it still annoys the hell out of Bush that Canadians are not in Iraq.) The proposed NAFTA-plus scheme also includes a "resource security pact." This offers Canada certain advantages: e.g. exempting Canadian lumber from US trade restrictions. It offers the US huge advantages: e.g. guaranteed access to Canada's energy resources.

In short, Canada is being offered financial incentives - mostly the elimination of trade barriers and the influx of American investment to undeveloped regions like Northern Quebec - in exchange for falling in line with America's military/security goals and for sating America's hunger for natural resources.

The five elements of the proposed plan so far are: 1) reinventing borders to establish a common security perimeter, possibly involving a Canadian national identity card with biometric identifiers; 2) the "harmonization of business regulations"; 3) a resource security pact; 4) "reinvigorating" the North American Defence Alliance; and 5) developing new institutions to manage a Canada-US partnership.

I don't have a lot of answers yet - I don't even know how likely the plan is to succeed -- but I will be researching a lot of questions in the next few weeks

Wendy McElroy

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:53:57 -0800
From: ICIS-Institute for Cooperation in Space <alw@peaceinspace.com>
Subject: LAW - Letter to PM Martin to declare President Bush persona non grata
in Canada

Please feel free to distribute this letter far & wide. Thank you.


LAW - Letter to PM Martin to declare President Bush persona non grata in Canada
Michael Mandel and Gail Davidson
on behalf of Lawyers against the War (LAW) a Canada-based committee of jurists
and others with members in thirteen countries.



Friday, November 19, 2004

The Right Honourable Paul Martin
Prime Minister of Canada
Office of the Prime Minister
Langevin Block
80 Wellington Street
Ottawa, Canada K1A 0A2
Tel: 613 6868
Fax: 613-941-6900
Email: pm@pm.gc.ca

URGENT

Dear Prime Minister Martin:

It was with absolute dismay that we learned of the planned visit of President
Bush to Canada on November 30th 2004.

Surely you are aware of the many grave crimes against humanity and war crimes
for which President Bush stands properly accused by the world, starting with the
Nuremberg Tribunal?s ?supreme international crime? of waging an aggressive war
against Iraq in defiance of international law and the Charter of the United
Nations, and including systematic and massive violations of the Geneva Conventions
Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War and Relative to the Protection of
Civilian Persons in Time of War, as well as the United Nations Convention
Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. As
recently as November 16, U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights and former war
crimes prosecutor Louise Arbour called for an investigation into crimes against
the Geneva Conventions in the assault by US forces on the densely populated
city of Fallujah.[1]
The terrible toll in life and limb of these crimes was documented in a study
carried out by the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health in Baltimore
and published in the October 29, 2004 issue of the British Medical Journal The
Lancet which conservatively estimated that the war had taken 100,000 Iraqi
lives, mostly women and children.[2] This was well within the range predicted
before the war, for example by a British affiliate of International Physicians for
the Prevention of Nuclear War who, in November 2002, assessed the probable death
toll at a minimum of 48,000 deaths, mostly civilians, and predicted that
post-war conditions would cost an additional 200,000 lives.[3]

The President?s responsibility for these offences derives not only from his
?command responsibility' as Commander in Chief of US forces, for crimes that he
knew were being committed, or ignored through willful blindness, but did nothing
to prevent; it also comes from his direct involvement in the formulation of
policy. This includes his personal involvement not only in the devising and waging
of an aggressive, illegal war, but also of the unlawful refusal to grant
prisoner of war status to prisoners of war, contrary to specific provisions of the
Geneva Conventions, an act repudiated in the US Courts.[4] It also includes the
approval of techniques of interrogation by his direct subordinate, Secretary of
Defense Rumsfeld, that legally and morally constitute torture and that led
directly to the disgraceful violence against Iraqi prisoners, for example at the
prison at Abu Ghraib.

As you know, not only are these acts criminal under international law, but many
of them are also criminal under Canadian law, under laws enacted in pursuance
of our international obligations, most importantly the Crimes Against Humanity
and War Crimes Act, put in place just four years ago under a Liberal government.
They also violate the provisions on torture in the Canadian Criminal Code.

By these laws, Canadians and non-Canadians alike are liable to prosecution in
Canada, no matter where in the world they have committed their crimes.
Furthermore, as the Attorney General can advise, the fact that these crimes have been
committed by Mr. Bush while President of the United States is absolutely
irrelevant to his personal liability to prosecution in Canada, according to principles
established at Nuremberg and universally recognized since then, including by
the British House of Lords in the Pinochet case in 1999. And if President Bush
were to visit Canada after leaving office, we would be seeking the Attorney
General?s permission under section 9 of the Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes
Act and section 7 of the Criminal Code to commence proceedings against him.

However, as you also know, should President Bush come to Canada now, while
still President, he would be clothed with both diplomatic and head of state
immunity from our laws and we would be powerless to bring him to justice.

Your invitation in these circumstances, therefore, shows contempt for both
Canadian and international law and is a grievous insult to the literally hundreds
of thousands of victims of President Bush?s international crimes. It is also our
belief that the invitation endangers Canadians? security at home and abroad,
because it is a departure from our steadfast refusal to this point to participate
in this criminal war of the Bush administration. In fact, it is our belief that
this invitation can only act as an encouragement to President Bush in his
continuing criminal activity, providing him with an important platform in this, his
first post re-election foreign visit, to defend illegal US actions in Iraq and
to improve his international standing despite them, all this against the wishes
of the majority of Canadians.

Indeed, we feel bound to point out that your invitation to President Bush may
thus constitute an abetting of the crimes he and his administration and military
continue to commit. As such you and your colleagues could be personally liable
to prosecution under the Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes Act by virtue
of section 21 of the Canadian Criminal Code, for crimes so serious that they are
punishable in Canada by up to life imprisonment. Abetting a crime, as the
Attorney General will advise, is regarded as equally criminal to actually committing
it and is complete when one intentionally, knowingly, or with willful blindness
encourages the commission of a crime by another.

Nor would President Bush?s immunity be capable of shielding you and your
colleagues from prosecution, because, as the Attorney General will advise, the
immunity applies only to foreign officials visiting Canada and not to members of the
Canadian government itself. Nor does the inability to prosecute a criminal
affect the criminal liability of an abettor.

It is for all these reasons we urgently request a meeting with you, the Foreign
Minister, the Attorney General or your representatives in Ottawa, so that we
might have the opportunity to elaborate on these matters and to persuade you to
declare President Bush persona non grata in Canada, or at least to rescind this
invitation, and thus to avoid implicating yourselves and Canada in the most
serious of international crimes.

Sincerely,



Michael Mandel and Gail Davidson
on behalf of Lawyers against the War (LAW) a Canada-based committee of jurists
and others with members in thirteen countries.


Contacts:
Michael Mandel, Professor, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University, 4700 Keele
Street, Toronto, Ontario, M3J 1P3. Tel: 416 736-5039, Fax: 416-736-5736,
Email: MMandel@osgoode.yorku.ca
Gail Davidson, Tel: 604 738 0338; Fax: 604 736 1175, Email: law@portal.ca


[1] Reuters, ?U.N. Rights Boss Urges Fallujah 'Abuses' Probe?
http://yahoo.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6828157.
[2] Les Roberts, Riyadh Lafta, Richard Garfield, Jamal Khudhairi, Gilbert
Burnham, Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, published online 29
October 2004.http://image.thelanct.com/extras04art10342web.pdf
[3] Collateral Damage: the Health and Environmental Costs of War on Iraq, 12
November 2002. http://www.ippnw.org/CollateralDamage.pdf
[4] For example Hamdan v. Rumsfeld et al, (United States District Court for the
District of Columbia, November 7, 2004).

cc: The Honourable Bill Graham P.C. Q.C. M.P.
Minister of National Defence
General George Pearkes Building
101 Colonel By Drive ? 13th Floor
Ottawa Ontario K1A 0K2
Tel: 613 992 5234
Fax: 613 996 8607
Email: Graham.B@parl.gc.ca

The Honourable Irwin Cotler
Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada
312 West Block
House of Commons
Ottawa Ontario K1A 0A6
Tel: 613 992 4621
Fax: 613 990 7255
Email: Cotler.I@parl.gc.ca


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3389345 - 11/20/04 02:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't understand how a country like Canada that is so far North can be such a big marijuana country when marijuana is a tropical plant and needs lots of sunlight to grow. Do they import it from Mexico?



Well, aside from the fact that many pot growers grow indoors, it's my understanding that cannabis can grow anywhere outside of the Arctic Circle. It is far from merely a "tropical plant."


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: silversoul7]
    #3389396 - 11/20/04 03:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

they have so much, like half an ounce.
i don't need much. i just need a few grams and i'm good for a few months, honest.


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3389401 - 11/20/04 03:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't understand how a country like Canada that is so far North can be such a big marijuana country when marijuana is a tropical plant and needs lots of sunlight to grow.  Do they import it from Mexico?




Canada imports weed from Mexico? :lol:

No, it can grow quite well outside, in certain areas.


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: ekomstop]
    #3430121 - 11/30/04 10:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

What a fucking awesome day/protest..I love it when such a diverse/massive group of people all come together for good cause we all pationately stand behind. We fucking rocked the hill I can't wait to see the newspapers tomorrow - people came in from all over Canada, not to mention parts of the U.S.. Speakers included Marc Emery, Carolyn Parrish, a couple U.S. soldiers who are against the Iraq war and a few other pollitically active people who I can't seem to remember at the moment.

Great vibes all day, intense energy among the crowds, especially when all the cops made their lovely yet obviously repeatedly rehersed enterance into the scene in an effort to get the public to remain behind imaginary lines for no apparent reason what so ever..thankfully it looked like most of them were ordered to pack up their stuff and step aside before anybody got shit kicked or ran over by their crowd controlling vehicles..they looked so rediculously out of place at this protest, the vibes were dominatly positive among everybody there, there was absolutely no point in them making such a lame yet obviously thoroughly planned entrance - complete with choppers flying about..I mean, riot police, choppers and bills for missle defence projects being discussed with the accused in parliment..this just isn't Canada..this isn't what my tax dollars should be contributing to. I am sincerly happy to know that all of this insanity is and will continue to be resisted by a lot of extremely pationate people.. Here are a few pics from today..there are also a bunch more we'll probably get hosted up on yahoo or something in the next few days..








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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: ekomstop]
    #3430198 - 11/30/04 10:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

wow that's amazing :laugh:


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: Shroomism]
    #3430277 - 11/30/04 11:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Nice photos, they really captured the beauty of your cause.... which is, in no particular order...

environmental "rape"
ethnic cleansing
homophobia
slave wages
"do you need guns to feel (like a man/tough?)"
biased media
soviet communism
indians on the canadian flag movements
last, but certainly not least... "no blood for oil"

Seeing many older people in the crowd, struggling with such profound issues reminds me of the words of doctor evil, "there is nothing more pathetic than an aging hipster"


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: looner2]
    #3430454 - 11/30/04 11:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

sweet pics ..wish we had all of the ones we aparetly took!


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    #3430588 - 12/01/04 12:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Ottawa ? As outraged protest goes, it was a very Canadian affair.

The biggest demonstration Tuesday against U.S. President George W. Bush was a mostly peaceful, almost festival-like day of bongo drumming and whistle blowing.

It ended with a candlelight vigil that transformed Parliament Hill into a small sea of twinkling lights.

Television images focused on a brief clash between a few demonstrators and riot police, but the vast majority of marchers were upbeat in their disdain for Bush.

Not that at least 5,000 protesters ? organizers said it was more like 13,000 ? didn't make their point. They vented their opposition to the war in Iraq and the prospect of Canada's participation in a U.S. missile-defence shield.

But most were at their rudest when they crafted placards like the one that said: A Village in Texas has Lost Its Idiot.

Another featured four images of Mr. Bush's face that simply said: Moron.

The President took it all in stride as he started his two-day visit to Canada, his first foray north.

A tiny group of supporters who tried to cheer the President as he arrived on Parliament Hill was drowned out by shouts of ?Bush go home.?

Still, Mr. Bush said he wanted to ?thank the few Canadians who came out to wave ? with all five fingers ? for their hospitality.?

A few demonstrators fought with police after protesters stormed metal barricades.

Scuffles broke out as dozens of police in riot gear and gas masks used shields to hold back the surging crowd. Protesters were knocked to the ground and 10 people were arrested. A firecracker set off by one of the demonstrators was at first mistaken for tear gas.

The incident occurred outside the posh Chateau Laurier Hotel where some of the Mr. Bush entourage was staying.

Some threw placards, sticks, pumpkins and water bottles at police. Several tactical officers were covered in red paint.

The stand-offs marred a day of peaceful protests that culminated with the ?toppling? of a five-metre papier m?ch? likeness of Mr. Bush on Parliament Hill.

The stunt, mimicking a familiar image from the Iraq War when a statue of Saddam Hussein was brought down, followed a mock eulogy as people shouted ?Bush go home? and ?We don't want war.?

Demonstrators said Mr. Bush was wrong to invade Iraq without United Nations backing.

?He's a warmonger ? I think he should get out of Iraq,? said Jeanette Pole of the Raging Grannies. The singing protest group is known for its gingham dresses and offbeat hats.

Ottawa resident Heidi Petersen brought her two children in a stroller to teach them the importance of free speech.

?I brought my kids because I want (them) to learn what this freedom is that we're exercising today,? she said, as Felipe, 5, and Capitu, 2, watched the crowd.

A counter rally supporting Mr. Bush was organized by Free Dominion, a group that hails the United States as Canada's greatest ally and trading partner.

But most marchers taunted the President.

A group of young women from Montreal, calling themselves the Radical Cheerleaders, shook homemade pom-poms and chanted their anti-Bush repertoire. One ?cheer? ended with the line:

?He wants to start a new arms race, putting his weapons in outer space. (He's an) intergalactic super war criminal!?

A young man encased in masking tape and calling himself the Mummy of Montreal stagger-stepped through the throng. Music by Bob Marley and Neil Young blared from loudspeakers as people openly smoked marijuana.

The crowd roared when Michael Mandel of Lawyers Against the War talked of the estimated 100,000 Iraqis who have died since the U.S. invasion.

?This isn't a President,? he said. ?This is a homicidal maniac.?

Demonstrations were held in other centres across Canada:

In Halifax, where Mr. Bush visits on Wednesday, a small protest was held at the offices of SNC-Lavalin.

Members of the Halifax Peace Coalition handed out leaflets that said the company was manufacturing munitions used by the U.S. in Iraq, and held up photographs of children injured in that war.

A spokeswoman for the Montreal-based firm said the company can't comment on whether its bullets are used in Iraq.

Organizers are expecting several thousand people at a protest when Mr. Bush speaks at the Halifax waterfront.

The demonstrators will be kept behind barricades about 100 metres from the building.

In Charlottetown, a peaceful group of about 40 gathered outside historic Province House, the birthplace of Confederation, to declare opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

In Vancouver, protesters pulled down a statue of Mr. Bush.

An organizer told the crowd that welcoming Mr. Bush makes no sense just because the U.S. is Canada's most important trading partner.

Gail Davidson, of Lawyers Against the War, filed criminal charges against Mr. Bush for aiding in torture in Iraq. B.C.'s Attorney-General would have to approve the charges.

Protesters in Edmonton also focused their anger on the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

?I'm disgusted by (Prime Minister Paul) Martin just being buddy-buddy with Mr. Bush.? said Laura Hudelson, 30

?I know there are other issues people are concerned about. I just hope that when it comes to the issues surrounding Iraq that Paul Martin is honest about how Canadians feel.?



http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=01ef25e5-25ac-4fb7-8592-d293d2c3afea

Unprecedented security accompanies Bush

Stephen Thorne
Canadian Press

November 30, 2004

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OTTAWA -- U.S. President George W. Bush arrived at Parliament Hill on Tuesday surrounded by a 40-car motorcade overseen by police snipers on every rooftop and all manner of aircraft in the skies above.

Security for Bush's one-day visit was unprecedented, creating a kind of siege mentality as thousands of protesters gathered to march to the lawn beneath the Peace Tower.

Ottawa residents are used to minor delays and inconveniences associated with visiting heads of state; they come with the territory. But these were another matter.

Access routes - in the sky and on the ground - across the city were closed, some for only a few minutes, others for the entire day. Parts of downtown were like a ghost town while others were choked with marchers.

Almost no traffic moved; some federal employees had the day off because they couldn't cross the Ottawa River between Ottawa and Gatineau, Que., where Bush and Prime Minister Paul Martin were to dine Tuesday evening.

At protest sites, plainclothes police mingled with crowds, their tiny earphones giving them away.

Riot squads lounged aboard buses, out of sight in the wings, on back streets and behind the halls of power - with portable toilets set up to accommodate them.

They waited for the call to be moved around like chess pieces responding to the ebb and flow of the protesters, many of whom streamed out of Safeway tour buses, signs in hand, to join the growing throng.

Uniformed officers blocked streets, guarded business and manned barricades until the crowds heated up and the riot squads were called in.

Security was so tight, NDP Leader Jack Layton and Conservative MP Belinda Stronach were detained for a few minutes until police could verify their identities.

''This chap had been given instructions not to allow anybody through and he was, by golly, going to stick by those instructions until somebody told him otherwise,'' said Layton, whose orange-clad caucus joined the protesters.

''Finally, a very tall RCMP chap came and shepherded us through.''

Throughout the day, helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft circled overhead. The airspace above the city was closed to unauthorized traffic.

Sniper teams stood on the roofs of buildings near the meeting sites, scanning the crowds and surrounding areas with binoculars.

''Thanks to George Bush, we've got people up on rooftops with guns, ready to shoot people,'' one protest bellowed through a bullhorn. ''Do we need that?

''Couldn't Bush just stay home and phone Ottawa?''

Meanwhile, police on bicycles and other uniformed officers casually mingled and moved with the crowds, subtly leading the march and guiding its route as it snaked through downtown streets toward Parliament Hill.


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3431303 - 12/01/04 03:29 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So a good leader doesn't listen to people?


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: ekomstop]
    #3431748 - 12/01/04 08:29 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3432382 - 12/01/04 12:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
Why would he listen to people who think he's a Nazi?

Because he's the president and listening to people is supposed to be his fucking job?




:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You think listening to people is his JOB???? Your psychiatrist's job is to listen to people.  The president of the United States' job is to lead, which entails considering information, deciding on a course of action and then taking steps to see that the selected course of action is implemented.  He is most certainly not obliged to consider one shred of the bleatings from the vicious wing of the opposition.  And you can take that to your next therapy session.  Your shrink will listen and if he is a professional he will be able to restrain himself from laughiing insanely




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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3432761 - 12/01/04 01:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Oh...ok. So the leader of your country isn't supposed to represent all the people of your country?

I suppose, then, that your nation truly IS at war. Your "commander in chief" is there to LEAD you all around by a noose, as if you cannot lead yourselves like free men?

What happened to all the Libertarianism I see touted in this forum so often?


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    #3433300 - 12/01/04 04:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Attend Trendal,Attend.


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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3433798 - 12/01/04 05:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Bush will never be charged with any war crimes by anybody. BTW, I heard something on the TV about Jacque Chirac possibly being impeached for corruption.



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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: Great_Satan]
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Re: Smoke pot and protest ol' Bushy right the fuck out [Re: ekomstop]
    #3545050 - 12/26/04 07:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Some more pics posted @ Bush Protest Gallery


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