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Onlinedeff
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what came first...
    #3379872 - 11/18/04 04:24 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

belief or experience?

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Re: what came first... [Re: deff]
    #3379886 - 11/18/04 04:29 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Experience. Beliefs are constructed based on our experiences. When we are born, all is experience.


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Re: what came first... [Re: silversoul7]
    #3379910 - 11/18/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

so, is that your belief?

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Re: what came first... [Re: deff]
    #3379915 - 11/18/04 04:34 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

You set the trap and SS7 stumbled in.


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Re: what came first... [Re: Swami]
    #3379942 - 11/18/04 04:41 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

ok ok so that was a little cheap :wink:

let's (or atleast I will :laugh:) analyze this a bit before jumping to automatic programmed responses. (not saying anyone did, but it's easy to with topics that appear this "obvious")

first off, it is a belief that we were ever once a baby and not an experience of the self that is here. again, 'you' were never the baby you relate 'your' past with anymore than 'you' were anyone else.

experience fits belief, but beliefs are based off of experiences. everything is a belief, just as everything is an experience. you believe in your experiences to be true, and equally, you experience these beliefs to be true.

now that I got that out of the way, is there even a difference? :cool:


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Re: what came first... [Re: deff]
    #3380086 - 11/18/04 05:11 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

belief become experience when experience become belief
just as experience become belief when belief become experience

one take on the difference could be,
experiencing pain, is pain?
whilst believing in pain, is judging pain?

if experiencing one burning a finger, one must believe it to judge pain.

if believing one burning a finger, one must experience it as pain.

different being judgment and/or analysis of what already is analyzed? like putting butter on fat?
it is a suggestion?

"experience of the self belief, is experience of no experiences"
-unknown :P
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Re: what came first... [Re: Gomp]
    #3380207 - 11/18/04 05:35 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

When I was a baby I didn't believe anything. It was all experience. I experience this because I remember it.


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Re: what came first... [Re: deff]
    #3380351 - 11/18/04 06:06 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

the.


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Re: what came first... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #3380401 - 11/18/04 06:20 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

""the egg""

but in the egg there is a chicken right?

it is so funny, what came first the chicken or the egg, the egg coming from the chicken, and the chicken coming from the egg it is incubated in. how the first chicken an the first egg was laid, is such easy question, it was how the first egg was laid, that the first chicken came out of it?

sub note:by easy I mean what you mean I mean by easy? 

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Re: what came first... [Re: Gomp]
    #3380849 - 11/18/04 07:55 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

W


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Re: what came first... [Re: deff]
    #3380937 - 11/18/04 08:18 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

deff said:
ok ok so that was a little cheap :wink:

let's (or atleast I will :laugh:) analyze this a bit before jumping to automatic programmed responses. (not saying anyone did, but it's easy to with topics that appear this "obvious")

first off, it is a belief that we were ever once a baby and not an experience of the self that is here. again, 'you' were never the baby you relate 'your' past with anymore than 'you' were anyone else.

experience fits belief, but beliefs are based off of experiences. everything is a belief, just as everything is an experience. you believe in your experiences to be true, and equally, you experience these beliefs to be true.

now that I got that out of the way, is there even a difference? :cool:




When I read that, I got the image of ideas coming first and then experience made from those ideas. I see the thoughtform fields and life creating experitial realities out of them.

Where beleifs fit into this I have no freaking idea. Beliefs are stupid really. All we really have our ideas we can put into play. A billion people can beleive differently about one idea and will experience it differently and then derive different beleifs again from the actual experience of the idea.

I mean really, what is a beleif in this light? Is it a thought form that says, I think this idea can be, is being or has been experienced? If thats the case, then beleifs are thought forms that just run biased interference with the whole of it.

I'm looking at the energy dynamic of it all. It's funny. :crazy2:


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Re: what came first... [Re: deff]
    #3382039 - 11/19/04 12:11 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am.

Belief is thought, thought requires a thinker, therefore belief requires a thinker. The thinker would have to first experience the idea of self before he could make the judgment of belief that he really exist as a thinking thing.
Experience of the idea must come before belief of the idea.

If you are talking about sensory experience, then it seems that experience also comes before belief because as babies develop they always experience the lower functions of sensation before the mind develops to a point where complex judgments like belief are possible. Beliefs build upon beliefs but some sensation always occurs before an individual is capable of belief, and the first beliefs are probably based on sensation. The person beliefs that what his senses are telling him is true.


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