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armed pilots?
    #3379720 - 11/18/04 03:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

what do you guys think of guns in cockpits?


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: ]
    #3379729 - 11/18/04 03:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i think they should just build a better door.


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    #3379736 - 11/18/04 03:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I like the idea, that's ofcourse if they have secured cockpit doors.


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    #3379756 - 11/18/04 03:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's a good idea, but I'd want there to be some sort of safety mechanism that virtually eliminates the chance of the guns being used by anybody but the pilots. And obviously, the pilots would need to undergo extensive training.


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    #3379783 - 11/18/04 04:02 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Last I heard, the pilots themselves were against this idea. They just want a better door with a working lock!

Guns on a plane, in ANYONE'S hands, is a VERY dangerous situation. You fire one shot off that misses a person...and you could take out the entire aircraft. Passenger jets are not designed to be shot at or have bullets punch holes in the skin. One stray shot risks explosive decompression, or maybe you could hit some avionics equipment. Even worse, you could punch a hole right through a fuel tank and BOOM.

Forget guns, just build a better door.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: trendal]
    #3379836 - 11/18/04 04:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

They did a mythbusters about gunshots in planes. A stray bullet will not cause an airplane to crash or explode. I also know several pilots that want to be able to have guns in the airplanes.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: ]
    #3379906 - 11/18/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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what do you guys think of guns in cockpits?




Sounds like a great idea. Lets let the terrorists know that there are weapons on board that way they dont have to try and smuggle their own onto the plane.


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    #3379951 - 11/18/04 04:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'd be fine with everyone on an airplane being able to bring a gun onboard, just as they were allowed to do prior to the 1970s. Any terrorist who wanted to hijack that plane would have to face a flight full of armed passengers.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: z@z.com]
    #3379976 - 11/18/04 04:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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They did a mythbusters about gunshots in planes. A stray bullet will not cause an airplane to crash or explode. I also know several pilots that want to be able to have guns in the airplanes.




Though Myth Busters is a good TV show...not all of what they do is entirely accurate.

I guarantee you that a gunshot through a fuel tank would be VERY dangerous to the well-being of all persons on board.

Don't forget, it only took a TINY spark in the center fuel tank to take out TWA-800...


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3379984 - 11/18/04 04:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be fine with everyone on an airplane being able to bring a gun onboard, just as they were allowed to do prior to the 1970s.  Any terrorist who wanted to hijack that plane would have to face a flight full of armed passengers.




Is this your idea of libertarianism? :eek:


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3379990 - 11/18/04 04:54 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be fine with everyone on an airplane being able to bring a gun onboard, just as they were allowed to do prior to the 1970s.  Any terrorist who wanted to hijack that plane would have to face a flight full of armed passengers.




Is this your idea of libertarianism? :eek:



Only if the airlines choose to allow guns on their flights.  If they don't, that's fine too.  But I'd actually feel safer knowing that any potential terrorist wouldn't make it past the food cart before getting popped by one of the passengers.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3380020 - 11/18/04 04:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

But then terrorists could simply bring guns on board. A few seconds of a shoot out could crash a plane. It's just bad news and isn't practical. It's a nice poetic thought and all, but in the end it spells disaster.


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    #3380034 - 11/18/04 05:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It was commonplace prior to the 70's, and it did not lead to disaster. Also, I think terrorists might be less likely to hijack a plane if they know people there are going to be armed.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3380053 - 11/18/04 05:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

In the 1970's terrorism wasn't much of an issue. If a plane was hijacked, it was always a hostage situation. Terrorists won't be afraid to board a plane because the people on board will have guns. The terrorists will bring their own guns. If they can't take the plane, they'll die trying and they'll hope the shoot out crashes the plane. You're forgetting that terrorists openly seek their own death. The only thing they fear is being arrested.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3380058 - 11/18/04 05:05 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i'm with you on this one. pilots, maybe. passengers, no.


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    #3380069 - 11/18/04 05:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Pilots only, too many crazies to allow the passengers to have guns.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3380082 - 11/18/04 05:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i think including training, they should have to undergo an extensive background check as well.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: guri]
    #3380094 - 11/18/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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i think including training, they should have to undergo an extensive background check as well.



:rotfl:

Yes, as if they don't already.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: trendal]
    #3380182 - 11/18/04 05:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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I guarantee you that a gunshot through a fuel tank would be VERY dangerous to the well-being of all persons on board.

Don't forget, it only took a TINY spark in the center fuel tank to take out TWA-800...



That is true. I was thinking more about shooting out a window.


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Re: armed pilots? [Re: z@z.com]
    #3380304 - 11/18/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

lots of perils exist when stray bullets are unleashed on relatively brittle fuesalages.

Rapid-fire rapid-effect tranquilizers would be much safer and just as effective.
The hostage element is very significant on planes as well.
With darts, whoever gets hit would survive; passengers and assholes alike.

They would also allow justice to be served.


thats my 2 cents.


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