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Divided_Sky
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I was talking a walk last night and talking on my cell phone and this police car just rolls up to me. The guy asks if I live around here. I have one of those earpiece things for my phone, and as soon as I take it out he says "never mind" and drives off. I guess he thought I was schizophrenic talking to myself.
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afoaf
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I often think that...
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Stein
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: Learyfan]
#3379918 - 11/18/04 02:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks better??? The hell are you talking about?
We've all been wondering that since her first appearance.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: Learyfan]
#3379972 - 11/18/04 02:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its best tho to consent if you dont have any weed or anything on you. It just looks better.
Looks better??? The hell are you talking about?
No, no "fuck the police". The police serve and protect. They prevent nazis from taking over cities.
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phi1618
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Seriously, though... looks better? Why would you care?
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: Swami]
#3380055 - 11/18/04 03:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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LC: What is your name?
Swami: I am not required to give you that information.
Ummm....
A rather sad decision for the courts to make.
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phi1618
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Nevada Attorney General Brian E. Sandoval argued that in modern society people don't have a right to keep their names private. The state argued that individuals must provide identification to get a job, borrow money from a bank, attend school or board an airline.
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silversoul7
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: phi1618]
#3380084 - 11/18/04 03:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nevada Attorney General Brian E. Sandoval argued that in modern society people don't have a right to keep their names private. The state argued that individuals must provide identification to get a job, borrow money from a bank, attend school or board an airline.
Ya. Notice that all those things they mention are voluntary transactions. Not one of them is something which someone is forced into, as is the case when a police officer requires you to identify yourself.
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unbeliever
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luvdemshrooms said: Quote:
LC: What is your name?
Swami: I am not required to give you that information.
Ummm....
A rather sad decision for the courts to make.
I remember reading the court docs for that last summer. My opinion is that if the cops have to know your name to find something to arrest you for on a random stop, they need to try harder at their jobs. I would consider my name/id to be protected by the 4th amendment and not subject to unreasonable search. Unfortunately those pesky activist judges think otherwise.
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phi1618
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I don't think the distinction between voluntary and involuntary actions is that clear. Consider cross-country transportation. To have a car, you need a license, and a license plate. To ride a plane, you need to present ID. Hitchhiking is illegal. I'm not sure about busses, but if you refuse to present ID, they likely won't sell you a ticket. Each, individually, is a voluntary action. Collectively, they have the result that the government would be able, if they cared to, to track your individual movement within the country. Edit: added "and a license plate"
Edited by phi1618 (11/18/04 03:43 PM)
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Swami
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A long time ago I ACTUALLY respected cops until I was arrested on a rape charge. It was one of the worst nights of my life. The cops were very psychologically abusive. There were 18 (yes - eighteen!) cars in front of my house. I was kept outside shirtless for four hours in 40 degree weather. Later they drove me 20 miles to the jail EVEN THOUGH the victim told them it wasn't me!
I was never booked nor even take into the building. It was just a "Hey, let's-fuck-with-this-hippie" thang. After non-stop intimidation they drove me back home and said, "Have a nice day!"
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: Swami]
#3380261 - 11/18/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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That could taint anyones opinion. But as in everything in life.... there's good and there's bad.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Swami
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Maybe there's good, but a cop has NEVER to my knowledge done a single thing positive for me.
Every encounter with the men-in-blue has been neutral at best or negative. As to cirme, I have been victimized 6 major times. The guys were never caught. Not sure what benefit I do get from my tax dollars. The only thing I can think of is the police stop some drunk drivers from endangering the rest of us.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: Swami]
#3380430 - 11/18/04 04:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Police provide a collective order in a society. If you are assaulted, the police will assist you. If you assault someone, the police will arrest you and charge you - and so forth. The law serves to protect and preserve human life.
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Swami
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If you are assaulted, the police will assist you.
Will? When? Oh, you mean they will file a report.
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newuser1492
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It's a little more involved than that. Basically states can decide if an officer can require you to identify yourself or not. The Supreme Court didn't decide that you have to identify yourself only that a state may decide for itself. Nevada already had a law stating you did and that was the Supreme Court upheld.
Also "identify" doesn't specifically mean show a driver's license. As long as you identify yourself in one way or another IF your state has a law stating you must you are in compliance.
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Divided_Sky
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Cops can be plain incompetent, and since they are never on your side you should never say anything. I actually was arrested and put in jail overnight on Proboble Cause for driving under the influence of marijuana when I had no weed in my car and I hadn't smoked in days. They pulled me over for a burnt headlight, decided I was high and hauled me off. It was pretty ridiculous and quite surreal. The officer said my car smelled profusely of marijuana, though nobody has ever smoked in it.
I had to pay $1000 for a lawyer, and after the prosecuters stalled for two months we were able to obtain a copy of my 100% clean blood test report. The police department was withholding the evidence and would have done so indefinately putting me through endless hearings and risk of conviction on circumstancial grounds because they didn't want to admit they were totally incompetent.
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: Swami]
#3382215 - 11/18/04 10:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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aybe there's good, but a cop has NEVER to my knowledge done a single thing positive for me
I understand the place of police in society but this county and culture has this cowboy BS cop-n-robbers thing tagged to police and they get away with everything
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barfightlard
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Re: Stopped by a cop [Re: DirtMcgirt]
#3382227 - 11/18/04 10:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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aybe there's good, but a cop has NEVER to my knowledge done a single thing positive for me
I understand the place of police in society but this county and culture has this cowboy BS cop-n-robbers thing tagged to police and they get away with everything
The only good thing a cop has done for me was in my grade 6 VIP class when I learned about all the different kinds of drugs out there and opened another door for my curiousity. Other then that all they've done was bust partys, take my booze, give me fines, and waste my time.
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MAGnum
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Damn, you have never been assaulted, have you?
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