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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: felixhigh]
    #3408231 - 11/25/04 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't seen much in the media either, but i believe it's better this way...

there's no need for any fuzz about it, specially from the conservatives  :wink:


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3409386 - 11/25/04 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Brazil will probably follow a system similar to the portuguese, which is also based on drug-decriminalization. Portugal also has the Health Ministry as regulatory mechanism and drug addiction is seen as an health problem, not criminal.
I'm very happy for Brazil, my friends at Santos must be celebrating if this is true. I don't know, i can't find any related article in portuguese, but i did find some articles in english. I say it's weird.
Anyway, let's hope for the best guys :wink:
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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: MAIA]
    #3410077 - 11/25/04 11:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome.

I bet this pisses ole Bush boy off...


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: MAIA]
    #3410443 - 11/26/04 01:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i have been watching the senate channel on TV...
i didn't catch it from the very beginning but it seems a certain senator has entered with a measure in order to suspend the decriminalization by a number of reasons (mosty foolish reasons, a senator representing the interests of $influent$ people)...
the $influent$ people are pulling the strings the way they can, i hope MAIA is right! Portugal and Spain are wonderful examples (which are never mentioned, i wonder why)...
MAIA: seja benvindo! e por favor traga umas buds portuguesas pra eu provar! :wink:


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: felixhigh]
    #3411343 - 11/26/04 07:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so, perhaps we DO need a fuzz about it,  heh ?

Maia, ? isso a? mano ! abra?o...  :smile:


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3416298 - 11/27/04 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Woah! I cant believe Brazil decriminalized drugs 3 days ago, where have I been? I'd like to see how this develops, I want to see other deveolping/advanced models for drug legalization/decriminalization than the Netherlands.


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: DailyPot]
    #3422389 - 11/29/04 10:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

More news. It looks like it's for real !
Google rough translation
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legal Drug

Following with the legal subject, this week a law project received the approval of the House of Representatives that decriminalizes the drug consumption and increases the pains for the dealers. According to the initiative, true legal and sanitary vanguard in the region, the drug user no longer imprisoned and will not either be forced to be put under treatment some of rehabilitation.

Solidly argued, the project it proposes that a young person to whom has been him a small amount of drug attends a dissertation initially on the risks of the dependency and not that directly is locked up in a prison, where will be able, without doubts, to initiate a true criminal career.

The other advance is the aim of compulsive treatments for the employees. He is almost unanimous between professionals of the mental health the opinion of which everything and any treatment is useless --y, therefore, a loss of time and resources -- if it does not count on the approval of the patient.

It is waited now that the Senate reviews the text and approves it so that begins to prevail in all the national territory, an approval that, like editorializa the newspaper Folha de S?o Paulo in its edition of this Friday, can be with a much more prosaic reality. "an approved law antitoxic in 2001 also would bring advances, but so badly it was written up and it contained so many errors that the Executive had to veto 35 of 59 articles", the influential newspaper remembers. And it finalizes: "one hopes that this time history is different". (APF)





Original article in spanish can be found here
http://www.apfmercosur.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=20892

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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: MAIA]
    #3422897 - 11/29/04 02:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If I lived there I'd be partying in the streets.


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: Adamist]
    #3426933 - 11/30/04 09:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thanks MAIA! caralho!
now thats good news...
a dissertation??? hehehe...
i'll write a full book at the police station!
the situation is a bitch right now, there's little to no weed around... darn 'drought'.


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: felixhigh]
    #3427538 - 11/30/04 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like Venezuela legislation also changed since January. Damn, no one talks about this stuff in the media.
I believe Brazil will follow, so Argentina and other south american countries. Guys, this is really happening !

http://www.bigleftoutside.com/archives/000313.php

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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3437058 - 12/02/04 01:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Good news! :thumbup: Five points for our side!! Only a few thousand more to go!!


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: felixhigh]
    #3438135 - 12/02/04 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What about cultivation? Are there going to be "smart shops" in Brazil?


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: gdman]
    #3438768 - 12/02/04 07:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

a friend of mine is going back to brazil (gher rome) for 2 months, she was sooo excited to hear the news.


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3439116 - 12/02/04 08:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Is your friend hot?

I've had real good luck meeting hot Brazilian women. Rachel Machado....what a hot sexy babe, if only I hadn't been prude. Ohh and Sandra...the way she looked with her blue eyes, brown hair...and firm body. I wasn't prude when I met her, she must have feared my American manhood.

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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: gdman]
    #3441176 - 12/03/04 09:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What about cultivation? Are there going to be "smart shops" in Brazil?

Nope,but I wish though...

The project will decriminalize the drugs but not legalize it. For instace, the drug use will be legally considered as a health issue not a police issue, the user won?t go to jail, be harrased, pay lawyers nor have the chance to corrupt the policemen. ( yeah, corruption is like a cancer metastasis in this country, well it is every where isn?t it ? :shrug:). Though the jail time for the drug dealer will be increased from 3 to 15 years.

I don?t really know the whole project but it?s something along those lines.


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3442593 - 12/03/04 04:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i have heard from the media that there was already a lot of business crap being registered (like a 'bob' brand, meant for INDUSTRIAL JANE JOINTS)...
someone's got to grow the shit...
but again, when i remember of the senate... and all the corruption cancer crap which consumes the brazilian worker in taxes...
i really wonder if there will be an actual change without legalization. otherwise there will still be traffic, with small 'soldiers' going down every day so that the real business owner will always live safely on his rich life which costs the health of users, dealers, policemen and often even innocents...


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: Hermes_br]
    #3442628 - 12/03/04 04:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Though the jail time for the drug dealer will be increased from 3 to 15 years.





That just means that they will be more ruthless. They will become even more dangerous than before.


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3458697 - 12/07/04 08:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hmmmm, maybe the DEA can send some of their special ops from defoliating columbia over & ummmmm "help re-establish democracy in brazil" or something that will sell on america's news programs...


(heh, brazil solved their problem with ayahuasca by having government officials visit the churches & participate in aya sessions --- no problemo, senhor...)


(& with regards to brazil - what is gonna happen to extant UN treaties as regards all those nasty dangerous drugs? --- treaties that the usa bullied everybody into signing back in the 40s & 50s...)


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Re: Brazil To Decriminalize Drug Use On November 24 [Re: gnrm23]
    #3466864 - 12/08/04 09:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wise words gnmr23!

i remember reading a link (too bad i didn't bookmark it to link here), on a DEA big head stating that their efforts in colombian coca plantations didn't reduce the cocaine consume in US (the consume actually increased)...
indeed, it's all a huge theater for the masses. anyone who has a bit of culture knows that coca plantations isn't something that only exists in south america. it is a pity that the average american takes the TV so seriously, but what can we expect from the masses? nothing too clever IMO. from any masses from anywhere in this planet.

lol, 're-estabilish democracy' is a very good term, made in america, now availiable to YOUR poor country! =D

regarding the ayahuasca subject, it is funny how 'smart' the politicians are. a dumb ass politician has actually managed to make it forbidden for a little while in this new government. i only came to know about it when it got legal again. haven't even heard of it's prohibition. the fucker must have read 'ayahuasca=hallucinogen' somewhere and wanted to make a good guy pose, protecting us from that harm. pffft.

evolution... means the end of their 'good' business.


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    #3469231 - 12/09/04 09:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Holland -- Weed coffeeshops and mushrooms in the smart-shop, ayahuasca church Santo Daime legalized, user quantity of drugs = no crime
Germany -- Reluctant acceptance of pot
United Kingdom -- Shrooms sales points, cannabis legalisation discussed
Russia -- large user quantities of all drugs allowed
Brazil -- ayahuasca churches, decriminalization of drugs underway

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