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Invisibledblaney
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Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now
    #3375197 - 11/17/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

After psych class today, a thought occured to me.

One of Freud's theories is, of course, of the id, ego, and superego. He classified the id as being the seat of desire. The superego being the conscience, and the ego being the middle ground - the decision maker - the thing that decides on delayed gratification and when to go with the id/superego. (These definitions lead me to consider whether or not the term 'egoloss' refers to the Fruedian ego or the Jungian ego.)

Now, the idea of living in the present would, in my opinion, encompass listening mostly to the id. I say this, because the id is pure desire. The ego and superego are the limiting factors on the id. But how do they limit the id? Perhaps by going by past experience, and making deductions based on these past events. However if this is the case, then you wouldn't be living in the now: past events and experiences would be influencing your actions.

Anyways, in retrospect I think I might have been a bit too strict on my interpretation, but any thoughts/comments/criticisms?


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375216 - 11/17/04 06:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"act the desire"
-unknown :P

[Middle English, from Old French acte, from Latin ctus, a doing,, and ctum, a thing done both from past participle of agere, to drive, do. See ag- in Indo-European Roots.]

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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375223 - 11/17/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think I got sidetracked in that post, because towards the end I seemed to be discussing why living in the now wouldn't be possible, which was not my original point.

Okay, so, since the Freudian ego is defined as the rational part, and the ego (and superego) wouldn't really be able to participate in 'living in the now', he might think it irrational to live in the now, as you would be devoid of reason, and be driven by impulse alone. Whether that means killing someone or commiting some other immoral act...


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375232 - 11/17/04 06:38 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

IMHO, "Living in the Now" is a New Age cliche, just like
"Pure Awareness". It marketed as a panacea, and if it doesn't
give u any peace well then of course "you're NOT inn the NOW !" :rolleyes: ... reminds me of religion...
sorry to sound so cynical but it's a play on words and a
GROSS oversimplification of a very complicated process of
conciousness.


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375243 - 11/17/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

""as you would be devoid of reason""

how? :wink:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: lucid]
    #3375263 - 11/17/04 06:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I am NOT the ME I think I AM :smirk:
I am pure BEING ... a cloud of AWARENESS
just a fluff of conciousness :rolleyes:
poof...I am all things devine n good my TRUE nature...
*does a little ballet dance*
.... grrrr... :smirk: ok, so maybe I'm a bit jaded :grin:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375310 - 11/17/04 06:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ok...from all the New Age literature I've read...
the idea is that "Living in the Now" doesn't mean returning
to Primal instincts (i.e. the Freudian "id"), but rather
they claim that there is a point "Beyond" the ego... the point
of the "Observer" where one is in a sense detached from both
the ego and the superego and is simply witnessing ones own
thoughts, the environment, action etc. They claim that all
creativity and "New" thoughts arrise from this "Void" of the
detached Observer. If u read some Krishnamurthi u'll see that he
talks a lot about how all thinking is redundant unless it
arrises out of a "Quiet Mind" - i.e. the vantage point of the
Observer...
got it ? I'll expect a 20 page research essay on my desk by
dawn :grin:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: lucid]
    #3375341 - 11/17/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Haha

Cynicism is important and always respectfully appreciated.

lucid you sound like you're attempting to actually define what you are. That's not really something one can acheive in this lifetime with any degree of certainty. Sure we can speculate, but to attempt to define that divine spark...that's a different task  :eyemouth:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: lucid]
    #3375376 - 11/17/04 06:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lucid said:
got it ? I'll expect a 20 page research essay on my desk by
dawn :grin:




Hahah you got it chief...do you accept $100's?  :wink:

Anyways, yeah I can see where that is coming from - attempting to create an objective standpoint, and then rationalize from there. The only thing is I don't think it's possible to attain a completely objective viewpoint on anything, while being a human. You can come fairly close, but never 100% objective.

Those that claim to have achieved this are only deceiving themselves. To be entirely objective, one would have be entirely devoid of memory or emotions. Both of which are seemingly insurmountable.


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375409 - 11/17/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

nah, I wouldn't bother to define what I am...
to quote grandpa simpson
"what I am is weird n scary" :grin:
My portrait is probably rotting away in some attic
as we converse :lol:
Not that I've ever done anything bad, but I feel guilty
anyway... I must be Jewish :grin: ... close enuff, brought
up Muslim....
I love the Woody Allen line about guilt, the part when he's
at the cafe and the girl asks him if he believes in God and
he sez "no...but I feel guilty about that too" :grin:
that was a classic...
but I digress... sorry if I'm polluting your thread, I'm
bored n tired n I trying not to think of the awful circumstances
I'm in...like how I'm gonna pay my rent...


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375422 - 11/17/04 07:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Freud is out dated.


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375464 - 11/17/04 07:12 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zahudulallah said:
Freud is out dated.



...truely...he's so out dated, he's dead !  :crazy:  :tongue:
sorry didn't mean any disrespect to Freud, but I couldn't
resist the comment  :grin:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375634 - 11/17/04 07:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Freud was a quack.

(and I DO mean disrespect to Freud.) :P


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3375655 - 11/17/04 07:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Not to mention stupid... I can't believe someone as bright as Carl Jung studied under his wing.

If I had the opportunity to meet Freud, I would hire a midget to kick him in the teeth.


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3375659 - 11/17/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

JacquesCousteau said:
Freud was a quack.

(and I DO mean disrespect to Freud.) :P




Haha, oh come now...you mean to say that a man who said that all women wish they had penises might not have been 100% 'there' mentally!?

Absurd!

Haha :wink:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3375683 - 11/17/04 07:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Nothing like a guy so trapped in his own perceptions that he fails to see that he's projecting his own personality onto everyone around him.

I think it is safe to assume that Freud had a thing for his mother, for starters...  :smirk:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3375735 - 11/17/04 08:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That's what I mean by stupid... he had founded psychoanalysis accidently since today everyone compares modern analysis to Freud's weirdo insanity.


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375862 - 11/17/04 08:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I hear you.. he was whacked.  :crazy2:


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3376067 - 11/17/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well okay, he was definitely a little mentally unstable...but in all fairness, certainly not to the extent you folks are making him out to be. He was a very bright man, who in fact did make many invaluable changes to the field of psychology and sociology.


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Re: Why Freud Might Have Disapproved of Living in the Now [Re: dblaney]
    #3376078 - 11/17/04 09:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Mentally unstable is an understatement. A great amount of his work was based on really absurd basis.

I'm sure he was a very bright man, but brightness does not necessarily equal correctness. Many bright men have been confused.. and he was one of them.


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