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EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method.
    #3374504 -

I know it seems common sence, but spores in the air mix with water in your humidifier, and bam you have spore factory(where does your air come from that feeds your humidifier???).  Every time you fill it up use a solution of 10%(3%H2O2) and 90% water.  Don't leave the water-h2o2 mixure in any container thats in light or in warm areas, the h2o2 gets destroyed by heat and light. 

I post this because i see so many people complaining about mold, when they have closed containers that are fed by deviced that do NOTHING to kill the BAD SPORES.
:smile:


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
    #3374548 -

good idea also to spray your casing with h202 water.does your ultra sonic if ya have control over humidity and level of output control it can  be adjusted to not soak your casings? read the faqs on pro's cons using each method of humidity :smirk:

Edited by djred (11/17/04 02:29 PM)

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: djred]
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or hepa filter your humidifier air

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: MushBus]
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I h2o2 all my water, but that's because it's the easiest way to make it sterile enough that it doesn't bother me to use it.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: ZeroArmy27]
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where is that to get usually? i live in germany though..


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: nimbus]
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whenever i cold shock and dunk, i always put in some good ol fashioned hydrogen peroxide... they love it.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: haz]
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Any pharmacy should have Hydrogen Peroxide.... i'd assume thats just about worldwide.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: discman1]
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you can also get it in any walmart or walgreens, or grocery store... look in the cosmetic section i think.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: haz]
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Check the chemist! hydrogen peroxide is its technical name.. used for cleaning wounds. its quite cheap

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: lesstutrey]
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Yea, about .39$ US. It's that stuff that your mom put on your skinned knee that bubbled and stings.  :wink:

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: spliffmasta]
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ahhh..okay! now I know what it is  :grin:


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: spliffmasta]
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ahhh..okay! now I know what it is  :grin:


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: nimbus]
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how much h2o2 in water? 10:1? 20:1? (i mean for misting, for the humidifier and for the water that goes in the geolite/perlite inside the pmp)


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: lepiota]
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1:10 h202:water for everything.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3381986 -

Just to help clarify,
1 Part (3%)H2O2
To every
10 Parts Water.

So for 10L of water
You would add 1L (3%)H2O2


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
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Im glad to have read this thread, I have some casings put away and I always spray my geolite with 1:10 H202 sollution even though the water has some in it anyway. I realized this morning that I was using the same bottle to spray the casings everyday and was wondering if direct application was a bad idea.

I use standard misting technique 2 feet away, just to make it damp, but I was concerned about a daily spray of h202 preventing my pinning which Ive been waiting for, for about 7 days. Should be any day now I guess.

Kido


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: call_me_kido]
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Direct application of the 1:10 ratio of H202:water is 100% ok, and does NOT stop pinning, fruiting or anything. It only stops the ability of contams to gain ground. H2O2 kills spores and not mycellium(or fruits)


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The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers(drug makers), crime bosses(drug pushers), and the forces of big government(DEA).
(wheres the benefit for the consumer?)

You gotta check this out.
http://www.di.fm/mp3/chillout96k.pls

Ride the wave of the mellow fractal rainbow!

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
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Awsome, I figured as much. Thanks for botherin to reply, this was a pretty dead thread. I didnt feel like cluttering up the forum with another thread asking a stupid newbie question about H2o2.

Kido


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: call_me_kido]
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yeah dude, h2o2 can be found anywhere, drug stores, closeout stores, etc
its not a watched chemical like psuedoephedrine or anything

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
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you don't have to measure...I'm sure I go over 1:10...it dosen't really matter as long as its mostly water...but if your using it in a humidifier you should probably be adding some h202 every couple of days...not 1:10 of it but a lil bit...cause h202 does break down in water over time...once it has all oxidized its plain old h20

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
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Sure, if you leave it sit for months on end with out using it. Putting it in a cool, DARK place will help it last longer. But just having a 1:10 mix of H2O2:Water will not break down THAT fast. I would say one can have the mix for at LEAST 2 weeks before mixing up another batch.


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The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers(drug makers), crime bosses(drug pushers), and the forces of big government(DEA).
(wheres the benefit for the consumer?)

You gotta check this out.
http://www.di.fm/mp3/chillout96k.pls

Ride the wave of the mellow fractal rainbow!

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
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i'd agree with 2 weeks. I dont use any H2O2 in my humidifiers, my closet is hepa filtered.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
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I always use h2o2 in my coolmists and a drop or two of iodine in my ultrasonics.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: hyphae]
    #3392849 -

Why I2 in the ultrasonic and not coolmist as well, or H2o2 in both?


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
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Hehe, h2o2, WITH a hepa filer would stop contams getting in via tools, hands, gloves, and not just air.

The point of using H2O2 in your humidifier is to stop the ALREADY in the water bacteria, and spores from living. Most likely you get your water via tap, that you let sit out(loosely covered)for 24 hrs to remove chloriene? Unless you distill(boil) your water every time you fill your humidifier, your still allowing contams to get in.


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The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers(drug makers), crime bosses(drug pushers), and the forces of big government(DEA).
(wheres the benefit for the consumer?)

You gotta check this out.
http://www.di.fm/mp3/chillout96k.pls

Ride the wave of the mellow fractal rainbow!

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
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now you got me all worried, gonna go do that right now.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
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Iodine

Iodine, mainly in its molecular form (I2), can penetrate the cell wall of microorganisms rapidly. The actual killing of the microorganism by iodine could be the result of the inability to synthesize proteins due to oxidation in an important amino acid,2 the increasing of the bulk of the amino acid molecules which leads to the denaturation of DNA,3 or the addition of iodine to unsaturated fatty acids could to lead to a change in the physical properties of the lipids.4 Electron microscopy observations support the conclusion that iodine, by interacting with the double bonds of phospholipids causes damage of the cell wall which lead to a loss of intracellular material. Halogens such as chlorine and iodine react not only with living microorganisms but also with dead ones and with dissolved proteins. In contrast to chlorine, where oxidizing and bactericidal N-chloro compounds emerge, with iodine the efficacy is diminished because N-iodo compounds are not formed.


Peroxygen Compounds

Hydrogen peroxide is effective against a wide variety of organisms: bacteria, yeast, fungi, viruses, and spores. Anaerobes are even more sensitive because they do not produce catalase to break down the peroxide. In general, hydrogen peroxide has a greater activity against gram-negative than gram-positive bacteria. Unlike like most disinfectants, hydrogen peroxide is unaffected by the addition of organic matter and salts.7

Hydrogen peroxide, the superoxide ion radical, and the hydroxyl radical are intermediate products in the reduction of oxygen to water. The hydroxyl radical is said to be the strongest oxidant known, and it is by this mechanism that hydrogen peroxide is believed to do the actual killing of bacteria. The hydroxyl radical, being highly reactive, can attack membrane lipids, DNA, and other essential cell components. Transition metals are believed to catalyze the formation of the hydroxyl radical, therefore the addition of iron, copper, cobalt, chromium, or manganese increases the efficacy of hydrogen peroxide. It is important to note that many metal ions are inherent in the microbial cell as well as in water, therefore this increased activity is essentially predictable.8 However, because of the increased activity, metal contamination of concentrated peroxygen chemistries will cause degradation and instability of the formula.

Peracetic acid is another peroxygen compound of great importance in infection control. It is typically formulated with hydrogen peroxide, and likewise has similar stability issues. As with hydrogen peroxide, the formation of the hydroxyl radical is the lethal species. Both peracetic acid and hydrogen peroxide may react with small, acid-soluble proteins to leave the bacterial DNA unprotected and susceptible to other disinfectants, such as chlorine or iodine. The destruction of spores is greatly increased with both a rise in temperature and an increase in concentration. One of the most striking characteristics of peracetic acid in comparison to other disinfectants is the low concentration needed to achieve the desired antimicrobial efficacy.9 Virucidal effects include the alteration of DNA as well as structural alterations.


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The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers(drug makers), crime bosses(drug pushers), and the forces of big government(DEA).
(wheres the benefit for the consumer?)

You gotta check this out.
http://www.di.fm/mp3/chillout96k.pls

Ride the wave of the mellow fractal rainbow!

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
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Quote:
derx said:
Why I2 in the ultrasonic and not coolmist as well, or H2o2 in both?


I've found that the iodine doesn't harm the ultrasonic's disc so thats what I use there, I have always used h2o2 in my coolmists bc I like the way it breaks down, I guess iodine would be fine for the coolmist too hell a little goes a long way! :wink: Maybe a combination of the two would be the ticket? :laugh:


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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: hyphae]
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With a 1:10 solution of 3% h202 your looking at only.3% of h202..that will break down rather quickly if light or warmth hits it. My ultrasonic is exposed to light because its in my fruiting chamber so I know the h202 doesnt last for to long.. a few days. My misters I keep in the fridge though so the h202 should last quite a while. Keep it out of light and heat and you should be ok.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: hyphae]
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Dude so this iodine in my humidifiers is eating me alive. Could you please help. What percent tincture do I use 2% 5% 10%. And how many drops per gallon. Thanx in advance.
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/jm


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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There is no need or reason to use anything but water in your humidifier. Simply wash it out between cycles to remove any slime or water deposits. I found no benefit to using peroxide, bleach, iodine, etc., at all. In fact, they can add to problems and shorten the life of the unit.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
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I agree. I've never added anything to my humidifiers and haven't had a problem. I clean them out pretty good with a bleach solution every few weeks and make sure to wash off the bleach water residue pretty good. I do however mist the layers of my casings when preparing them for the FC with an H2O2 solution and between flushes. Martha, her tubes, and shelves get a good bleach solution wash every other month also. Lysol and 2 big HEPA filters take care of the rest.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
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What about the perlite humidification tek Roger? Would you go for straight tap water or with a H2O + H2o2 solution? I added a microscopic amount of H2O2 (0.5%) to my water.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7559319 -

I made my own humidifier using an ultrasonic fogger, mini cooling fan, and a air-tight plastic container. Until I got the the timing dialed in I used H2O2 to keep things from getting contaminated in case my casings got over saturated. RR is right though H2O2 will oxidize any exposed and susceptible metals in your unit.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Uns4ne]
    #7559346 -

Ditto for perlite humidification in a terrarium. Use plain water, then drain the perlite well before adding to the terrarium.
RR


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
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do you think it will mess things up since I havent soaked & drained my perlite before adding to the chamber?


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Ganjalex]
    #7559492 -

you can add some H2O2 to your perlite if it makes you feel better. It won't hurt anything.

sometimes spinning around in circles while you pat your head and rub your tummy helps too (rub your head and pat your tummy for pans).

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: MotorCityMadman]
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When testing out my FC, i first baked the Geolite at 400 for an hour, then used water and H2o2 to saturate before putting in terrarium.

No problems for about 2 weeks.

Then i cleaned it out to attempt another experiment with humidity, but this time, i just rinsed the geolite in regular hot water and put it back in. Within 24 hours, the FC began to reek of mildew.

I'm not going to trust my regular water anymore unless it's been treated with some sort of chemical, or boiled, or both.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
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hmmm, hope things are goin to turn out fine with my tap water...:shocked:
the ammount I added to my water got so diluted (0.5%) that I doubt it will have any impact...


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Ganjalex]
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My perlite has been damp for almost 2 months, i took it out and rinsed it with plenty of boiling water, cleaned the FC with a little bleach, then gave the perlite a good rinsing with hot water out of the tap (my tap water is pretty hot, burns ur hands)

Not had any problems with contams.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: veda_sticks]
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is it possible/okay to use a bit of bleach in the standing water (only if necessary of course)?

My only concern would be if the chlorine in the bleach would become chlorine vapor as it evaporated, if that's possible.

The cakes would not be touching the geolite of course, but would it still have some ill effect?


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
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H202 is not bleach, its hydrogen peroxide. Please forgive me if I misunderstood your post.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
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also bleach is fine to use if you dilute the crap out of it, i think like 1:200

vapors are only an issue if you boil the bleach

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
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um, yeah i know the difference between NaCl0 and H2O2. Thanks tho.

I was just wondering because H2O2 is said to break down over time, but bleach is more stable, I think.

At least it's more deadly to microbes and stuff, which is why i was considering it for the water in my pod.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7563804 -

Pointless..  I get perfect results without H2O2 or iodine.. don't waste your time with it.. you can if you want..

but you can also dive head first into a pile of horse poo.. both are pointless :thumbup:


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Iamthewalrus]
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So H2O2 oxidizes this i know but I have heard only in light or heat. So I keep 9gallons of water and one gallon of h2o2 in a light proof rubber maid in a dark cool closet then when ever my ultra, or cool mist needs it I refill there reservoirs with the solution. So with those measures taken I wonder if I'm just feeding it h2o2 or just h20 :/ I really wanna switch to iodine but no one is answering my plea for help about what strength tincture to use and how much.
boo hoo hoo for me.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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Quote:
I really wanna switch to iodine but no one is answering my plea for help about what strength tincture to use and how much.



I answered your question above. None.
RR


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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there is no need to use h202 or bleach solutions in your setups, just keep them clean and use plain water, remember that mycelium is hurt by h202 and takes time to recover, and in that time some other undesirable organism could have the chance to get a foothold in your growing area.

h202 should only be used to fight cobweb.

And bleach for cleaning work surfaces etc.

Fruiting chambres can be washed out with just hot water and washing up liquid.

h202 will break down in a solution of water eventaully even if its stored in the dark.


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PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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Don't use either. It's pointless.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Nibin]
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Think its time to close this thread.


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PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: veda_sticks]
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Yeah but what about the period during fruiting. What should one do if they are in the middle of a flush, and then the FC starts to smell like mildew. Are the cakes ok? Should they be removed, the FC cleaned with bleach, then put back in?


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
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in the middle of a flush, and then the FC starts to smell like mildew


Increase air exchange.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
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yup more air flow i have uniformly 6 1and1/2" holes cut for each shelf. two on each side two on the front. And the zippers up about six inches for CO2 to escape. I am finding though that I need even more and am uniformly cutting more holes to the point of where my cool mist and ultrasonic can barely keep up.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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I'm gonna bump this post has any one ever seen the little cleaner balls they sell for humidifiers. I use them in each humidifier. Wondering could this be the reason I'm getting a much slower fruiting rate then when I used just plane ole h2o. I'm sorry to bump this I looked all over and only had one person answer this in a post. I wanna make sure I'm doing no harm.
I'm a noob sorry and correct me if needed.

jm


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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Most of the cleaning solutions and additives I've seen on the market for humidifiers contain fungicides in one form or another as part of their ingredients and as such, I have avoided them.

Having never tried them, I can't say how it would effect your fruiting but my gut tells me it's probably causing some stress to the mycelium...as to how much, I have no idea. And without being able to personally observe your entire fruiting environment it gets really hard to ascertain if it's that or if you have some other variable slightly out of ideal.


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: mycocurious]
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I think a few people have used it to no ill result, though a few google searches tell me very little about the chemical content of available products.

The bottom line is that spore buildup in your humidifier is NOT causing your contamination. Simply scrubbing the tank occasionally is more than enough. The contaminant spores are already in your atmosphere; if you're exchanging water frequently there's no reason to think the tank would have an abnormally high level of them.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. *DELETED* [Re: CaptainLinger]
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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I doubt that fungicides in your humidifier were why your "Golden Ts were moving so slowly".

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: CaptainLinger]
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My cat's using a glass aquarium with a plexiglass lid. An airstone for FAE and geolite for humidity.

She only has a small hole drilled in the lid to get some pipes in there for the air stone. If the stone is constantly pushing air out of the box through the small hole (< 1cm), should she need to create some polyfill hole(s) (~ 2-3cm) in the top?

Does polyfill keep in humidity or will drilling holes only make it harder to keep high RH?


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
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You don't need to filter your air. Holes without polyfill will be better.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: CaptainLinger]
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In general, cats make horrible cultivators. There's too much bacteria on their paws from digging in a shit box.

Since we all only grow legal edibles, there's no need for such deception.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: CaptainLinger]
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No she makes sure she washes off first, and most of the time she just shits on the carpet anyway. She uses those little finger condoms instead of gloves. You should see, it's a fuckin riot!

Shit, sorry, i thought this was the "forum...dedicated to all aspects of cultivating psychoactive mushrooms", no disrespect though RR, i appreciate all the advice you give here. You're great man!!

CaptainLinger said:
You don't need to filter your air. Holes without polyfill will be better.


So,
your saying to just have an aquarium with just a plexiglass lid, and holes cut in it. How will that keep all the humidity in if i have an air pump pushing out all the air. How would this be different from just not having a lid in the first place? I thought that the polyfill would let the air pass but not the humidity from inside or nasties from outside. Is this wrong? please correct me if so. I just want to make sure.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
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Humidity is water *vapor* in the air. Polyfill will not selectively filter it out. The "nasties from the outside" are going to pass through your system no matter what; as long as it's properly vented, the mold will not colonize on your cakes.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: CaptainLinger]
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I didn't mean to say that the polyfill will selectively filter it, i just figured that with polyfill, it's harder for the comparatively larger vapor drops to escape, than for the tiny air molecules. This would "filter" out the moisture from the air. This way, CO2 is removed and replaced with new air constantly.

If i were to not use polyfill, wouldn't the humidity escape as well? I figure, there is nothing but gravity to keep it in the tank; and we all know how well gravity works on water vapor, you know with the whole lack of water vapor in the atmosphere and everything.

If i drill holes in the top of my FC, how do i keep the humidity from leaving? That is what i want to know. Why else would most fruiting chambers be enclosed?

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
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it's water vapor. A gas. Polyfill does not filter on a molecular level.

Your humidity would escape, yes, and polyfill impedes that air exchange. You need to constantly humidify fresh air, shooting for 3-4 full exchanges each hour. That's quite a bit.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: CaptainLinger]
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Update I took the h202 out of my humidifiers and the protec cleaning balls . Instantly overnight a growth of 2-6 inch's thanks RR and all.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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lol, "fungicides were holding me back"

You know it would be dead if that was effective, or had anything to do with anything, right? That's how mushrooms grow, bud.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: CaptainLinger]
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Is there any way to measure how many exchanges the FC goes through per hour/day? I'm thinking putting some smoke/fog in there and seeing how long it takes to clear. Do you guys think this would provide a somewhat accurate measurement? Don't worry, there aren't any little buddies in there to be affected, this is all experimental at this point.

Good job on your grow Joshua, that sounds like a nice thing to wake up to!!

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
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You should have the output of your humidifier somewhere on the box. In Cubic metres per hour or cubic feet per hour.

Just divide the output of your humifier by volume of air in your chamber and you will get the number of full air changes every hour


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Nibin]
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Sorry captain but i have had much experience with this genre of mushies. Some of the mushies were dieing. And I know at what stage they just explode. I'm sorry but your way off. It took from pin to 3inches two weeks. And after i flushed out the entire system and got all that shit out of there just like RR has stated above. I did not get this type of growth that should have happened a week ago. It didn't kill it just like h2o2 won't kill myc but it definitely weaken's them and then they have to recover.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
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You have no particular way of verifying that claim. You did something that might matter, and noticed a change. Happens to me every day without any fungicide.

H202 has a completely separate mechanism of action. Fungicides kill fungus.

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Nibin]
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Nibin said:
You should have the output of your humidifier somewhere on the box. In Cubic metres per hour or cubic feet per hour.

Just divide the output of your humifier by volume of air in your chamber and you will get the number of full air changes every hour


I'm not using a humidifier. Just an air pump/stone.


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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
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i have a simple yet relevant question. H2O2 is very reactive, how much remains active for disinfection when you dilute the 3% sol. in H2O? i assumed it would just react with the water to make more water….and O2.

i plan on using it in my humidifier but i’m curious as to the reaction of H2O + H2O2= ?

any responses are very much appreciated!

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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: sappsucker]
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This thread is 17 years old, peroxide doesn't react with water, it just combines and dilutes the peroxide.

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