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 Search59
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 Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method.  [Re: Iamthewalrus]
#3392824 - 11/21/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure, if you leave it sit for months on end with out using it. Putting it in a cool, DARK place will help it last longer. But just having a 1:10 mix of H2O2:Water will not break down THAT fast. I would say one can have the mix for at LEAST 2 weeks before mixing up another batch.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
#3392830 - 11/21/04 11:40 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'd agree with 2 weeks. I dont use any H2O2 in my humidifiers, my closet is hepa filtered.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
#3392847 - 11/21/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I always use h2o2 in my coolmists and a drop or two of iodine in my ultrasonics.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: hyphae]
#3392849 - 11/21/04 11:49 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why I2 in the ultrasonic and not coolmist as well, or H2o2 in both?
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Search59
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
#3392853 - 11/21/04 11:51 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hehe, h2o2, WITH a hepa filer would stop contams getting in via tools, hands, gloves, and not just air.
The point of using H2O2 in your humidifier is to stop the ALREADY in the water bacteria, and spores from living. Most likely you get your water via tap, that you let sit out(loosely covered)for 24 hrs to remove chloriene? Unless you distill(boil) your water every time you fill your humidifier, your still allowing contams to get in.
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The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers(drug makers), crime bosses(drug pushers), and the forces of big government(DEA).
(wheres the benefit for the consumer?)
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Search59]
#3392861 - 11/21/04 11:53 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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now you got me all worried, gonna go do that right now.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
#3392874 - 11/21/04 11:58 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Iodine
Iodine, mainly in its molecular form (I2), can penetrate the cell wall of microorganisms rapidly. The actual killing of the microorganism by iodine could be the result of the inability to synthesize proteins due to oxidation in an important amino acid,2 the increasing of the bulk of the amino acid molecules which leads to the denaturation of DNA,3 or the addition of iodine to unsaturated fatty acids could to lead to a change in the physical properties of the lipids.4 Electron microscopy observations support the conclusion that iodine, by interacting with the double bonds of phospholipids causes damage of the cell wall which lead to a loss of intracellular material. Halogens such as chlorine and iodine react not only with living microorganisms but also with dead ones and with dissolved proteins. In contrast to chlorine, where oxidizing and bactericidal N-chloro compounds emerge, with iodine the efficacy is diminished because N-iodo compounds are not formed.
Peroxygen Compounds
Hydrogen peroxide is effective against a wide variety of organisms: bacteria, yeast, fungi, viruses, and spores. Anaerobes are even more sensitive because they do not produce catalase to break down the peroxide. In general, hydrogen peroxide has a greater activity against gram-negative than gram-positive bacteria. Unlike like most disinfectants, hydrogen peroxide is unaffected by the addition of organic matter and salts.7
Hydrogen peroxide, the superoxide ion radical, and the hydroxyl radical are intermediate products in the reduction of oxygen to water. The hydroxyl radical is said to be the strongest oxidant known, and it is by this mechanism that hydrogen peroxide is believed to do the actual killing of bacteria. The hydroxyl radical, being highly reactive, can attack membrane lipids, DNA, and other essential cell components. Transition metals are believed to catalyze the formation of the hydroxyl radical, therefore the addition of iron, copper, cobalt, chromium, or manganese increases the efficacy of hydrogen peroxide. It is important to note that many metal ions are inherent in the microbial cell as well as in water, therefore this increased activity is essentially predictable.8 However, because of the increased activity, metal contamination of concentrated peroxygen chemistries will cause degradation and instability of the formula.
Peracetic acid is another peroxygen compound of great importance in infection control. It is typically formulated with hydrogen peroxide, and likewise has similar stability issues. As with hydrogen peroxide, the formation of the hydroxyl radical is the lethal species. Both peracetic acid and hydrogen peroxide may react with small, acid-soluble proteins to leave the bacterial DNA unprotected and susceptible to other disinfectants, such as chlorine or iodine. The destruction of spores is greatly increased with both a rise in temperature and an increase in concentration. One of the most striking characteristics of peracetic acid in comparison to other disinfectants is the low concentration needed to achieve the desired antimicrobial efficacy.9 Virucidal effects include the alteration of DNA as well as structural alterations.
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The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers(drug makers), crime bosses(drug pushers), and the forces of big government(DEA).
(wheres the benefit for the consumer?)
You gotta check this out.
http://www.di.fm/mp3/chillout96k.pls
Ride the wave of the mellow fractal rainbow!
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hyphae
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: derx]
#3392925 - 11/21/04 12:18 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
derx said:
Why I2 in the ultrasonic and not coolmist as well, or H2o2 in both?
I've found that the iodine doesn't harm the ultrasonic's disc so thats what I use there, I have always used h2o2 in my coolmists bc I like the way it breaks down, I guess iodine would be fine for the coolmist too hell a little goes a long way! Maybe a combination of the two would be the ticket? 
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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: hyphae]
#3393548 - 11/21/04 04:18 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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With a 1:10 solution of 3% h202 your looking at only.3% of h202..that will break down rather quickly if light or warmth hits it. My ultrasonic is exposed to light because its in my fruiting chamber so I know the h202 doesnt last for to long.. a few days. My misters I keep in the fridge though so the h202 should last quite a while. Keep it out of light and heat and you should be ok.
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 Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: hyphae]
#7559095 - 10/25/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dude so this iodine in my humidifiers is eating me alive. Could you please help. What percent tincture do I use 2% 5% 10%. And how many drops per gallon. Thanx in advance.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: joshua m]
#7559143 - 10/25/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is no need or reason to use anything but water in your humidifier. Simply wash it out between cycles to remove any slime or water deposits. I found no benefit to using peroxide, bleach, iodine, etc., at all. In fact, they can add to problems and shorten the life of the unit.
RR
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7559284 - 10/25/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree. I've never added anything to my humidifiers and haven't had a problem. I clean them out pretty good with a bleach solution every few weeks and make sure to wash off the bleach water residue pretty good. I do however mist the layers of my casings when preparing them for the FC with an H2O2 solution and between flushes. Martha, her tubes, and shelves get a good bleach solution wash every other month also. Lysol and 2 big HEPA filters take care of the rest.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7559288 - 10/25/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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What about the perlite humidification tek Roger? Would you go for straight tap water or with a H2O + H2o2 solution? I added a microscopic amount of H2O2 (0.5%) to my water.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7559319 - 10/25/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I made my own humidifier using an ultrasonic fogger, mini cooling fan, and a air-tight plastic container. Until I got the the timing dialed in I used H2O2 to keep things from getting contaminated in case my casings got over saturated. RR is right though H2O2 will oxidize any exposed and susceptible metals in your unit.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Uns4ne]
#7559346 - 10/25/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ditto for perlite humidification in a terrarium. Use plain water, then drain the perlite well before adding to the terrarium.
RR
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7559410 - 10/25/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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do you think it will mess things up since I havent soaked & drained my perlite before adding to the chamber?
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Ganjalex]
#7559492 - 10/25/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can add some H2O2 to your perlite if it makes you feel better. It won't hurt anything.
sometimes spinning around in circles while you pat your head and rub your tummy helps too (rub your head and pat your tummy for pans).
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: MotorCityMadman]
#7559564 - 10/25/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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When testing out my FC, i first baked the Geolite at 400 for an hour, then used water and H2o2 to saturate before putting in terrarium.
No problems for about 2 weeks.
Then i cleaned it out to attempt another experiment with humidity, but this time, i just rinsed the geolite in regular hot water and put it back in. Within 24 hours, the FC began to reek of mildew.
I'm not going to trust my regular water anymore unless it's been treated with some sort of chemical, or boiled, or both.
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: buggas]
#7559594 - 10/25/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmmm, hope things are goin to turn out fine with my tap water...
the ammount I added to my water got so diluted (0.5%) that I doubt it will have any impact...
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Re: EVERYONE USE H2O2 water in your humidifier or misting method. [Re: Ganjalex]
#7559910 - 10/25/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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My perlite has been damp for almost 2 months, i took it out and rinsed it with plenty of boiling water, cleaned the FC with a little bleach, then gave the perlite a good rinsing with hot water out of the tap (my tap water is pretty hot, burns ur hands)
Not had any problems with contams.
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