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InvisibleGijith
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Quick UN Poll
    #3373134 - 11/17/04 10:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I know there are wide differences in how many of us view the UN, its purpose, its ties to various countries, its problems. I just want to do a quick poll on how people feel towards it.

edit: sorry, I meant to make it so you could pick more than one. If two different choices seem appealing to you, say so. Or have your puppet vote for the second one.
The UN needs to...
You may choose only one
stay in its current state and conduct itself as it has been doing.
expand its influence and participate in more conflict resolution, elections, global regulations, third world assistance, etc.
scale back its operations, acting mainly as a forum for communication and diplomacy between countries.
dissolve entirely.
get out of New York, and the US needs to get out of the UN.
reform so that major world powers have more influence and control over decisions.
other (specify please).


Votes accepted from (11/17/04 10:26 AM) to (No end specified)
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Edited by Gijith (11/17/04 12:33 PM)


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: Gijith]
    #3373559 - 11/17/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

while i definitely dont oppose the principle of the UN..i still voted that the US should get out of the UN and they should get out of NYC...theres nothing the UN can do to stop the neocons..which leaves the proverbial "plan B" ..speed up the train until it runs off the tracks...


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: Gijith]
    #3373592 - 11/17/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

U.N. BLOOD MONEY, we can now trace money from the U.N. to suicide bombers. there should be prison time for some people at the U.N.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: Gijith]
    #3373598 - 11/17/04 12:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The UN should reform itself into an internationalist political party in the United States.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: Gijith]
    #3373709 - 11/17/04 01:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I figured I'd be a little different from my fellow libertarians and chose #3. I think the UN could serve a good purpose as an international forum for resolving conflicts peacefully, but they definitely shouldn't act like a governing body in their own right.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: silversoul7]
    #3374131 - 11/17/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Would libertarians normally choose #4 and #5? Or just #5?


I also prefer choice #3, but I wonder if the UN could realistically reform itself so radically.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: Gijith]
    #3374190 - 11/17/04 03:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think most libertarians would choose #5. But you bring up a good point. Since #3 is highly unlikely, #5 may be the best option we have.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: silversoul7]
    #3377313 - 11/18/04 02:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm surprised that you libertarians aren't pro-UN cause they are trying to set limitations on how much power our government can gain.

The UN is an organization designed to avoid and/or end wars and keep peace and enforce human rights laws on a global scale, NOT to be a "world government" Opposing the UN is kinda similar to opposing gun laws.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: oggleman]
    #3377321 - 11/18/04 02:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Opposing the UN is kinda similar to opposing gun laws.



Uh...we libertarians do oppose [most] gun laws.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: silversoul7]
    #3377371 - 11/18/04 02:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I voted that the United Nations should expand its influence in terms of humanitarian aid, peacekeeping and in ensuring that elections are democratic. I don't think the world's future will get any brighter unless we manage to embrace international co-operation - and I also do not believe that individual nations will behave altruistically. I do recognise the current sovereignty of the nation-state, but I also believe it will eventually become obsolete, or at the very least greatly diminish in importance.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: silversoul7]
    #3377379 - 11/18/04 02:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I know, but you see my analogy. The UN and gun laws are both designed, at a base level, to save lives and end violence. You oppose them both. America's message to the world: "Our right to carry a gun and consume as much as humanly possible and accrue enormous amounts of wealth and power and crush anyone in our way is more important than your right to live or self govern or feed your family." No wonder the world hates us.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: oggleman]
    #3377381 - 11/18/04 02:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, and the UN doesn't try to impose it's will on other countries? :rolleyes:


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: silversoul7]
    #3377405 - 11/18/04 03:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Oh, and the UN doesn't try to impose it's will on other countries?




:lol: :lol: THE UN IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! :lol: :lol:  The UN is made up of representatives from many many countries. Its not a separate entity.  Anything the UN does requires a certain level of concensus from a large numbers of nations.  If you ask me that gives it the right to impose its will on "other countries".

Besides you completely ignored my point, and that is our civil liberties are not more important than the right of iraqi babies to not be blown up.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: oggleman]
    #3377425 - 11/18/04 03:09 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

oggleman said:
Quote:

Oh, and the UN doesn't try to impose it's will on other countries?




:lol: :lol: THE UN IS NOT A COUNTRY!!! :lol: :lol:  The UN is made up of representatives from many many countries. Its not a separate entity.  Anything the UN does requires a certain level of concensus from a large numbers of nations.  If you ask me that gives it the right to impose its will on "other countries".



Of course.  You've made it abundantly clear that you believe majority rule supercedes individual rights.  By this same logic, the US government cannot "impose" its will upon the American people, since it is comprised of their elected representatives.

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Besides you completely ignored my point, and that is our civil liberties are not more important than the right of iraqi babies to not be blown up.



WTF???  What do Iraqi babies and our civil liberties have to do with each other?


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: oggleman]
    #3377439 - 11/18/04 03:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm done with you, SS7, there is no hope for you. Not to mention this "I know better than you" baditude. I'm always on the defense with you. It is you and only you that makes this forum unpleasant. You do everything short of calling everyone on here a fucking dumbass and you only don't do that cause of the no flaming rule. So you just use this pseudo-intellectual attitude that makes you feel smart and good about yourself. There is no discussion with you, only argument, I feel sorry for your family and whatever friends you may have for having to put up with you.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: oggleman]
    #3377450 - 11/18/04 03:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm looking over my post, and still can't figure out how you inferred all that from reading it. Could you please just address my points? I'm genuinely curious to hear your perspective on them. While I don't feel that I act arrogant most of the time, I apologize if I come off that way. If it is me and only me that makes this forum unpleasant for you, I'd like to know how to change that(other than reducing my intelligence or posting less). I'd like to help make this place more welcoming for everybody.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: silversoul7]
    #3377500 - 11/18/04 03:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have never had problems with SS7 and I am pretty sure we disagree on some issues.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3377505 - 11/18/04 03:48 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

His baditude is a major problem.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: Gijith]
    #3377530 - 11/18/04 04:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I suppose sometimes I do get a little overbearing, and I apologize, since I hate it when others do that(ie pinksharkmark and TaoTeChing). I don't mean to belittle people, but I don't see what was wrong with what I just posted. I was just inferring what had already been established.


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Re: Quick UN Poll [Re: oggleman]
    #3377699 - 11/18/04 06:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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oggleman said:
I'm always on the defense with you.



He's just right more often so it's only natural for you to feel that way.


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It is you and only you that makes this forum unpleasant.



Hey! What about me? And there are several others who are far worse.

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You do everything short of calling everyone on here a fucking dumbass and you only don't do that cause of the no flaming rule.



But so many are dumbasses.

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So you just use this pseudo-intellectual attitude that makes you feel smart and good about yourself.



Actually he's gotten much smarter since he first started posting and as such should feel good about himself.


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