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the goals of the insurgency
    #3373097 - 11/17/04 08:02 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

what do they want?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3373192 - 11/17/04 08:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Simple answer: Lots of different things.

There is not a single 'insurgency' movement. You have Baathists, assorted religious fanatics (which will never agree on what they want even between themselves), foreign governments interfering and plain old criminals stealing/extorting as much as they can can.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: psilomonkey]
    #3373212 - 11/17/04 09:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like a sensible analysis.

There is probably a section made up of people simply grieved at loosing their families and towns to US bombs too.

- Perhaps thay end up entering one of the categories psilo defined above as a means of surviving, finding strength and networking; and as a symptom of dealing with their pain. Perhaps they don't need further definition.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: CJay]
    #3373238 - 11/17/04 09:13 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

There is probably a section made up of people simply grieved at loosing their families and towns to US bombs too.

Yeah, I am sure I left loads of groups out including nationalists, tribal powers (Sunni/Shia/Kurd and loads of sub-groups), assorted warlords and maybe even a popular resistance too.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3373533 - 11/17/04 10:29 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

For you to leave.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3373751 - 11/17/04 11:18 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

and then what?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3373879 - 11/17/04 12:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Probably the same as what the US hawks want. Power, money, oil.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Xlea321]
    #3373896 - 11/17/04 12:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

For the first and probably the last time, I agree with you.  :shocked:


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3373949 - 11/17/04 12:20 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Oh dear, I must have gone wrong somewhere.. :ooo:


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3374297 - 11/17/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
and then what?




None of your damn business.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374401 - 11/17/04 01:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

you don't know, do you?

or is it a muslims-only secret?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3374452 - 11/17/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think very few people are in any kind of position to answer this question. Very few Americans at least.

The US military's achilles heal has always been its arrogance in assuming the motives of people halfway across the world. The proper thing to do is to not worry about it.

The absolute worst thing to do is go on televison and say asinine things like 'they hate freedom.'


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374614 - 11/17/04 02:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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zahudulallah said:
For you to leave.




What would be better for the people of iraq...

A.) U.S stays until the insurgency is defeated, elections are held, and iraqi soldiers can protect their country.

B.) Prolonging the insurgency, in effect stifling the above.

C.) Leave and watch the country go into a probable civil war.

D.) Fill in with what you want.

This question is not about whether it was right/wrong to invade iraqi, it is about the situation that needs to be dealt with. Reality.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: looner2]
    #3374653 - 11/17/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It's not your position to invade a Muslim country. You all hate us ragheads anyway, so stop pretending you're concerned about what the Iraqi people think.

The Prophet Muhammad commanded Muslims to wage armed struggle against any kaffir that enters a Muslim land with force.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374657 - 11/17/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

This question is not about whether it was right/wrong to invade iraqi, it is about the situation that needs to be dealt with. Reality.

Can you answer my question again? Or is your response, "because allah says so"


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: looner2]
    #3374665 - 11/17/04 02:49 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What's your question?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: looner2]
    #3374679 - 11/17/04 02:51 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Or is your response, "because allah says so"

asking anything more of a man of faith is an exercise in futility.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374692 - 11/17/04 02:53 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What would be better for the people of iraq...

A.) U.S stays until the insurgency is defeated, elections are held, and iraqi soldiers can protect their country.

B.) Prolonging the insurgency, in effect stifling the above.

C.) Leave and watch the country go into a probable civil war.

D.) Fill in with what you want.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3374697 - 11/17/04 02:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

:rolleyes: My god, what an arrogant way of going about things.. "Well, you have religious beliefs so you are automatically wrong."... Alot of people have religious beliefs. In fact, most of the planet does.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: looner2]
    #3374711 - 11/17/04 02:57 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

D - Muslims fight the American occupation until they finally leave - be it next year, or in 7 years. If any munafiqs try to control the country un-Islamically, then they will be destroyed.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374726 - 11/17/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well, you have religious beliefs so you are automatically wrong.

that's not my attitude at all. what i'm saying is that asking those who arrive at their beliefs about the world based on religious conviction rather than reason to explain themselves in logical terms is usually an exercise in futility.

instead of answering looner2's question, you chose to respond to my prediction, which for the moment appears to be correct. can you explain yourself in terms of reason, or is it indeed, "because god says so"?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374736 - 11/17/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

D - Muslims fight the American occupation until they finally leave - be it next year, or in 7 years. If any munafiqs try to control the country un-Islamically, then they will be destroyed.

Anyone opposed to religious laws should be destroyed?

I'm sure then you wouldn't mind if canada declared it a christian country and made everyone follow strict christian law, correct?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3374740 - 11/17/04 03:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: looner2]
    #3374757 - 11/17/04 03:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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D - Muslims fight the American occupation until they finally leave - be it next year, or in 7 years. If any munafiqs try to control the country un-Islamically, then they will be destroyed.

Anyone opposed to religious laws should be destroyed?

I'm sure then you wouldn't mind if canada declared it a christian country and made everyone follow strict christian law, correct?




Iraq is a Muslim country. It is to be ruled by Shariah, not man-made laws. If people oppose that with force, they will be fought against by the Mujahideen.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374776 - 11/17/04 03:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

well then indeed it is, "because god says so".

what makes something a "muslim land"?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3374799 - 11/17/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

A book of fairy tales says so.

Disagreeing with this book is grounds for death.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374823 - 11/17/04 03:14 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

looner2 said:
D - Muslims fight the American occupation until they finally leave - be it next year, or in 7 years. If any munafiqs try to control the country un-Islamically, then they will be destroyed.

Anyone opposed to religious laws should be destroyed?

I'm sure then you wouldn't mind if canada declared it a christian country and made everyone follow strict christian law, correct?




Iraq is a Muslim country. It is to be ruled by Shariah, not man-made laws. If people oppose that with force, they will be fought against by the Mujahideen.



I don't believe Hussein applied the edicts of your God in his governance -- where was the fearless mujahadeen during his reign? Surely the fact that he had the tendency to gas dissidents wouldn't dissuade men carrying out the will of Allah.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3374827 - 11/17/04 03:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Any land where khilafah has once ruled.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3374834 - 11/17/04 03:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What muslim countries are currently 'ruled by Shariah'?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3374844 - 11/17/04 03:20 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What muslim countries are currently 'ruled by Shariah

The unfortunate ones...


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: looner2]
    #3374883 - 11/17/04 03:29 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Good answer.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Autonomous]
    #3374986 - 11/17/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

the unfortunate ones... sad but true...


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3375325 - 11/17/04 04:52 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

st0nedphucker said:
What muslim countries are currently 'ruled by Shariah'?




Actually, Shariah hasn't been implemented since 1924.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: ]
    #3375466 - 11/17/04 05:13 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Their ultimate goal is probably to have a fundamentalist theocracy running the show. I don't know if this a good thing or a bad thing, but I'd hate to live under such a government...


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3375489 - 11/17/04 05:16 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The goal is to establish Shariah.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375534 - 11/17/04 05:23 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

And I suppose there's no doubt they can do something like that when it hasn't existed since 1924.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375536 - 11/17/04 05:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

As I understand it, Shariah seems to be the same as a fundamentalist theocracy...


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3375558 - 11/17/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: silversoul7]
    #3375563 - 11/17/04 05:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

With the help of Allah, anything is possible.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3375568 - 11/17/04 05:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

No, it's not. People who hate God's Law simply call it fundamentalist, extreme, whatever word they can dish out because we won't let queers and alcoholics congregate.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375575 - 11/17/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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With the help of Allah, anything is possible.



I guess that's why we keep kicking the shit out of the Middle East.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375578 - 11/17/04 05:37 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I keep hearing about the new Russian nuclear missile on TV. Its supposed to be able to deliver about 4 tons of nuclear warheads. I don't know how many megatons that is. I think their main target is the towel heads.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: silversoul7]
    #3375582 - 11/17/04 05:38 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

That doesn't make it right. Good for you. You can easily kick the shit out of the Middle East.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375591 - 11/17/04 05:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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That doesn't make it right. Good for you. You can easily kick the shit out of the Middle East.



I'm just saying that if anything is possible with the help of Allah, it doesn't appear that Allah is on your side.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3375595 - 11/17/04 05:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

All the more reason Muslims must rise up against the hypocrisy of the so-called civilized world.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3375600 - 11/17/04 05:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Islam isn't from God. There is no book anywhere on earth that has the word of God in it.

When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, the Saudis and Kuwaitis asked the western countries to get him out of Kuwait. Osama bin Laden didn't want any kufers going to war with Muslims, but the Saudis and Kuwaitis didn't agree with him. Bin Laden offered the help of his shit head mujaheedin (may they rot in hell), but they rejected his offer. This is very important that you understand this. Bin Laden doesn't want kufers in Saudi Arabia.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: silversoul7]
    #3375612 - 11/17/04 05:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The Muslim world is so divided right now we don't deserve Allah's help collectively. Allah will help those individually.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3375629 - 11/17/04 05:44 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

King Fahd is a hypocrite. We don't care for him. And no Muslim wants a kaffir on the Holy Peninsula.


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    #3375690 - 11/17/04 05:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Islam is a lie.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3375697 - 11/17/04 05:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

You have me convinced, Jesus boy.  :rolleyes:


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3375722 - 11/17/04 06:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

All religion is a lie.


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    #3375814 - 11/17/04 06:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3375833 - 11/17/04 06:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375946 - 11/17/04 06:42 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

>Iraq is a Muslim country. It is to be ruled by Shariah, not man- made laws. If people oppose that with force, they will be fought against by the Mujahideen.

What an utterly sad existance, you condemn America, yet if the people themselves were to rise up they should be fought down.

That makes you an oppressor, no one way around it.

Earlier you also everyone hates towelheads, well the few that made it this way sure as hell don't have any compasion to stop the hate thats making life troubled for thier peers around the world.

How anyone could support a religion like this is utterly mind-boggaling.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: SweetLeaf]
    #3375947 - 11/17/04 06:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

America is the enemy of Islam. America is the enemy of God. America will eventually be destroyed because it is the enemy of God. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Alameen.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3375949 - 11/17/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks GS. That shed some light on some things for me.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3375984 - 11/17/04 06:51 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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zahudulallah said:
America is the enemy of Islam. America is the enemy of God. America will eventually be destroyed because it is the enemy of God. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Alameen.




Taking up your old "research" i see. :rolleyes:

Tell me again, why weren't you banned after that whole zahid fiasco.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: d33p]
    #3375993 - 11/17/04 06:53 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I was banned for making puppets, that's all. Unrelated manner.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3376215 - 11/17/04 07:48 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

There are practicing Muslims in America, so how can you condemn a country that houses your bretheren unoppressed?

This is your fundamental flaw. So easy to condemn a people who you have no affilitation with. This is why Muslim is the fastest growing faith, it gives people with nothing in life the ability to come together to blame something.

What if each one of these extremists did something constructive. Helped thier community, built a better nation, but no, doomed to fail. America is powerful, so you hate us. What is the point?


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: SweetLeaf]
    #3377532 - 11/18/04 02:08 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

See, the United States doesn't oppress Muslims domestically. They oppress Muslims on a foreign level. Muslims are exploited for the interests of the United States.

And actually, Hamas for example has two three wings: A military wing which carries out military operations, a political wing that interfaces with the media and the Palestinian Authority, and a charity wing that helps rebuild the Palestinian territories, provide food, water, and shelter to victims of Israeli terrorism, donations to hospitals etc. Or take Osama bin Laden even. After the Afghan occupation Osama used his own money to build and rebuild hospitals, schools, etc.


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3377535 - 11/18/04 02:09 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

We are the new nazis


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Re: the goals of the insurgency [Re: AhronZombi]
    #3377542 - 11/18/04 02:16 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, your government. People like you however recognize the truth and Allah is blessing you.


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