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Re: The makeup of the insurgents [Re: AhronZombi]
#3372929 - 11/17/04 05:51 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds about the size of it
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Re: The makeup of the insurgents [Re: HagbardCeline]
#3373166 - 11/17/04 08:48 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ever seen The Matrix?
Ever heard GWB talk - 'if you are not with us, you are against us'?
Anyone who understands, and is behind GWB's actions in Iraq must see that his philosophy is exactly the same as that of his enemies.
Women and children by the thousands have been killed on GWB's say so - sure, mostly Iraqi's, but does their nationality actually make any difference?
What's the moral difference between Iraqi resistance killing a female aid worker (foreign, possibly married to an Iraqi) and the US military killing a bunch of kids, not yet into their teens, who are playing football?
Imagine an occupied country, it erupts into division and even civil war because some people support the invaders, some do not. If one is a part of the resistance and your countrymen have sold out, they become the invader's pawns, they become the enemy.
This is why the US is loosing the battle for hearts and minds because they have attempted to divide and conquer a culture. This divide and rule tactic has been used since time immemorial by colonising forces and empire builders. That's one of the main reasons why Africa and the Middle East got so fucked up in the first place. National borders set by the colonials never encircled cultural groups, they always divided them where possible. And we have lived with this legacy ever since.
In effect this means local inhabitants no longer belonged to a self defining country, cultural space or nationstate, instead ones brothers and psychological countrymen live abroad, while one is enjoined with one's enemies. Psychologically this is very difficult (for tribal peoples especially).
The tactic is, and has been, backfiring globally for some number of years, the resistance is growing and in places like Iraq it is stronger, more personal and more heartfelt by the day.
The lesson will eventually be learnt, that as with the division of Ireland, a compromise (which is the only way to peace) can only be reached around the table. The Irish situation was only resolved when the terrorists/freedom fighters/insurgents were allowed their own political party and their tormented voice given political respect.
Of course a lot of time is also needed, and the US agenda never allows for that. Quick fix by bomb is the yee-ha yahoo tactic the USAdmin uses abroad.
Compromise is a dirty word in Iraq....so peace will not come.
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Re: The makeup of the insurgents [Re: ]
#3373176 - 11/17/04 08:50 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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news flash: the third reich ended almost 60 years ago. national socialism is dead. this "nazi this, nazi that" bullshit is tiresome and insulting to those who actually lived and died under hitler's brutal regime. give it a rest.
Actually the nazi party is rising in popularity in Germany at a rate of knots right now. Facism is alive and well across the planet too.
Take a look at the world
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Re: The makeup of the insurgents [Re: Phluck]
#3373321 - 11/17/04 09:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's silly to pick a side when both sides are using barbaric tactics. To say that it's okay to kidnap, torture, and murder american workers, and it's a war crime when the americans do it is just as ignorant as buying into the Bush administration's propaganda.
This is exactly what I am saying! You win todays star prize.
Haven't you worked it out - I'm not on anyones side!
What interests me is that everyone gets on their high horse about the aid workers, (shock horror - evil insurgents) yet most support the US brutality - doh!
I personally expect brutality all around and see no such thing as a crime in war, but the US likes to present itself as an endearing nation that is above so called "war crimes". Well, the US has to live with that righteous stance I guess since it is their own self made posture.
I just find it all funny - maybe you should get a sense of humour too.
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Re: The makeup of the insurgents [Re: CJay]
#3373349 - 11/17/04 09:45 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Definition: The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that -exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual, -uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition, -engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and - espouses nationalism and sometimes racism or ethnic nationalism. In an article in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, written by Giovanni Gentile and attributed to Benito Mussolini, fascism is described as a system in which: "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad.... For the Fascist, everything is within the State and... neither individuals or groups are outside the State.... For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative." sounds rather like ole GWB's philosophy at home and away ....And a lot of other nations fit that description too, (many even further than GWB's proto-state)....across the globe. Like I said fascism is alive and well across the globe.
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Re: The makeup of the insurgents [Re: ]
#3373694 - 11/17/04 11:06 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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fucking hell man - are you not awake? Bush is a brillant propaganda man, forcing a war on false evidence. Calling on the morality of the American people and using myth to shape it. God speaks to him, and his spirituality in that leads to all his actions, which all must follow. He is eroding the rights of the individual and heightening the role of the state in the individual's life, as well as the reach of the state into the individual's life. Power of central government is rising due to his methodology. "you are free, to do what we tell you" - just like the members of any theocratic state. "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad.... " - GWB's exact stance. And he damn well insists on prevailing abroad whether anyone likes it or not. America rules! The rest of the world is second rate (only useful for political ends) and if one is not with him, one is against him. Just so long as the cola keeps flowing and everyone gets their sugar and have the great freedoms of going to work and the mall and watching TV I guess that's all great. Anyway my original point was that fascism is alive and well around the globe - which it is. From east to west, north to south in countries on every continent. GWB does not run the world's most fascist country and I was not originally pointing to him, but it is amazing how he is angling in on the fascist dream. And he is dangerously close
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