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Offlinekadakuda
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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: phreakyzen]
    #3369166 - 11/16/04 02:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

re read my post.  i DO NOT have a problem with hunting as a source of food.  in no way.  i do have the problem with people just going after their heads and people bragging about hough tough they are.  it takes skill sure, it does not take balls.  that is what im saying.  there is a HUGE waste of animals life here, there was a big story about people poaching elk (i think it was elk i cant remember 100%) taking their heads and leavign the rest in the bush.  this is a rare animal here to start with.

about the indians doign buffalo heards.  not talkign about them, speaking of shooting guns.  perhaps if they didnt kill so many, and the white dudes didnt shoot so many (and wast that much) we might still have some up in canada.  just a thought...i kinda would like to not have species extrapated due to hunting.  just me though :rolleyes:

anyway got no problems with people killing for survival.  its what we and most other animals do.  its the whole "sport" type attitude that is only for the trophy that pisses me off.  ESPECIALLY endangered aniamls.


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: kadakuda]
    #3369182 - 11/16/04 02:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, don't hunt endangered animals... hunt people!


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: kadakuda]
    #3369186 - 11/16/04 02:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If they poach then they aren't hunters.


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3369224 - 11/16/04 02:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

definitions will make this thread a waste but oh well. the "hunters" or "poachers" i have gone with buy the same permits/licenses and buy the same gear as a real hunter. the only difference between the 2 is at the time of the kill how much they waste. if a guy takes all teh valued meat and leaves teh bones, guts, head, legs etc to certain aboriginese that would then be considered paching. cause they are just killing it for very little of the animal. not saying i fully agree but i totally respect that.

its a fine line that changes with everyones perspective.


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Xlea321]
    #3369276 - 11/16/04 02:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Really? You think most hunters can be bothered bleeding, dressing, hanging and butchering a full grown deer for 30lbs of meat?

yes, and i don't need to go on what i "think"... i know this from experience. on what are you basing your beliefs on this one?

How big are these guys freezers? If they shoot 2 deer they're gonna need a freezer big enough to store 60lbs of meat.

1. this is why most hunters don't shoot more than they can store.

2. in many places you can only take one deer per season. if you had any experience hunting you would know this.

3. there are community programs all over the country to donate excess venison to the needy. it's not uncommon for tens of thousands of pounds of food to be provided to the needy in this manner per hunting season.

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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Xlea321]
    #3369504 - 11/16/04 03:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)


Really? You think most hunters can be bothered bleeding, dressing,
hanging and butchering a full grown deer for 30lbs of meat?

You obviously have no clue about deer hunting.  I live in a rural
area in the Northeastern US.  Deer hunting is a religion around my
area.  NOBODY..and I mean NOBODY wastes any of the kills they make
while hunting.  Venison(deer meat) is so beloved around here, it
is like gold(I'm not kidding you).  People who have it hold onto
it and give it out to friends, and the people who don't have it
beg for scraps from people who do.  If a hunter does not want
to get the meat off of a carcass himself, he will take it to a
person who will do it for him(a deer processor).  There are
HUNDREDS of deer processors in the area who charge money to
take the meat and package it up for you.  I guarantee you that not
a strand of venison goes to waste in my state.


How big are these guys freezers? If they shoot 2 deer they're gonna
need a freezer big enough to store 60lbs of meat.

I have friends who between them and their wives get four deer a year.
They give a bunch away to their friends and family and they have
enough meat in the freezer to live off of for a year.  Just thinking
about venison is making my mouth water.  I am not a hunter myself,
but I usually manage to snag a couple packages of deer steak and
hamburger every year from friends. 

Venison...oh god Venison...yum.  I could live off of it.  :drooling:

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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3369698 - 11/16/04 04:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

DNR Says More Hunters Illegally Leaving Deer Carcasses To Rot

Dec 10, 2003 9:39 am US/Central
(AP) More deer hunters are illegally leaving venison to rot or grabbing only the choicest parts instead of butchering the animal properly, state officials said.

"It's just sickening," said Mike Scott, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources conservation officer at Floodwood. "They're taking the hind quarters, the backstraps and the tenderloins. That's it. They're leaving the front end of the deer."

Scott found one pile of 13 discarded deer in a gravel pit near Floodwood. One animal was not butchered at all. Four or five others were skinned only as far as their midsection so hunters could take prime cuts of meat. The rest of the deer were processed more fully but still not completely used. He is working on three other cases in which multiple deer have been discarded without being fully used.

State game laws make the practice a crime. Dumping carcasses also is a criminal offense under state littering laws, Scott said. Minnesota's hunting regulations say "a person may not wantonly waste or destroy usable part of a protected wild animal unless authorized."

Rich Sprouse,spokesman for the Minnesota DNR's Division of Enforcement at Camp Ripley, said the problem is widespread.

"I'm seeing it across the state, from Grand Marais to Albert Lea," Sprouse said. "This year, I'm seeing more."

The deer population is high in much of Minnesota, and the DNR made it easy for hunters to get permits for antlerless deer this fall. Hunting conditions were good, and hunters shot more deer this year compared to recent years.

"We've always had this problem, but it's getting worse because there are more deer and more to be disposed of," Scott said.

http://wcco.com/localnews/local_story_344104052.html


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Xlea321]
    #3369761 - 11/16/04 04:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

that's pretty wasteful.

where do you actually stand on this issue? are you opposed to hunting altogether?

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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Xlea321]
    #3369763 - 11/16/04 04:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That sounds more like the work of poachers than legal hunters. It
also sounds as if it is the work of one or a few individuals. Most
hunters would never do something like that.

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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: ]
    #3369799 - 11/16/04 04:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

are you opposed to hunting altogether?

No, I just wish they'd be a little more open about doing it because they enjoy killing and consider animals a source of entertainment for them.


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Xlea321]
    #3369842 - 11/16/04 04:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

No, I just wish they'd be a little more open about doing it because they enjoy killing and consider animals a source of entertainment for them.

usually the hunters who kill because they like it and see it as entertainment are pretty open about it.

i ask you because it doesn't seem like there's really any disagreement here. yes, it's terrible when meat goes to waste. it's terrible when people kill for no other reason than sport. i think you've really got the wrong idea about most hunters though.

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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: ]
    #3370411 - 11/16/04 06:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

this is why most hunters don't shoot more than they can store




I have a 20 cubic foot freezer and I can fit about 4 or 5 deer in there with room to spare (I only keep 2 max which lasts me until next season). I have a cousin that lives on a farm and I bought a 1/4 cow from him and fit it in there with a lot of room to spare. So Alex's claim that you can't have freezers big enough is wrong yet again....you'd think he'd learn.


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Xlea321]
    #3370416 - 11/16/04 06:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

No, I just wish they'd be a little more open about doing it because they enjoy killing and consider animals a source of entertainment for them.




I'll do that if you admit that you never have any idea what you're talking about. Deal? :thumbup:


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3370447 - 11/16/04 06:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
So Alex's claim that you can't have freezers big enough is wrong yet again....you'd think he'd learn.



That would assume that he's actually thinking.


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Re: Right to arm bears [Re: silversoul7]
    #3370479 - 11/16/04 06:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I stand corrected... :grin:


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