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He's faking he's dead...
    #3367236 - 11/16/04 02:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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'This one's faking he's dead'
'He's dead now'
Fallujah: Video shows US soldier killing wounded insurgent in cold blood
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
16 November 2004


The US Marine Corps launched an investigation into possible war crimes last night after video footage taken inside a mosque in Fallujah apparently showed a Marine shooting dead an unarmed Iraqi insurgent who had been taken prisoner.

The footage showed several Marines with a group of prisoners who were either lying on the floor or propped against a wall of the bombed-out building. One Marine can be heard declaring that one of the prisoners was faking his injuries.

"He's fucking faking he's dead. He faking he's fucking dead," says the Marine. At that point a clatter of gunfire can be heard as one of the Marines shoots the prisoner. Another voice can then be heard saying: "He's dead now."

Other footage has shown troops shooting wounded fighters lying in open ground as well as attacks on Iraqis - some said to be civilians - by US aircraft and helicopters. This latest footage is among the most shocking given that it apparently shows without obstruction the Marine shooting the prisoner in the head at close range.

Kathy Kelly, a spokeswoman for the peace group Voices in the Wilderness, said last night that such images would "recruit more terrorists faster than they are being killed".

"I don't think the US is paying much attention to the Geneva Conventions any more - that is the problem. This must be investigated," she said.

NBC said in its report that the Marine who had shot the insurgent had apparently been shot in the face the day before and that one of his comrades had been killed the previous day by a booby-trap bomb that had been placed on the body of a dead insurgent. He has been withdrawn from the field and his unit removed from the front lines, officials said.

Military experts said last night that rules of engagement prevented US troops from shooting an enemy where there was no threat being posed.

Yesterday, the Marines said they had taken more than 1,000 prisoners in the battle for Fallujah. Colonel Michael Regner, operations officer for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Fallujah, said at least 1,052 prisoners had been captured in the battle. No more than about two dozen of them were "foreign fighters", he said.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=583322


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Xlea321]
    #3367290 - 11/16/04 02:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NBC said in its report that the Marine who had shot the insurgent had apparently been shot in the face the day before and that one of his comrades had been killed the previous day by a booby-trap bomb that had been placed on the body of a dead insurgent.




So it's kill or be killed. Im not in any way standing up for what this soldier did, but, placing bombs in dead insurgents in hopes to kill those who come to aid is just as dirty of a crime.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Stein]
    #3367308 - 11/16/04 02:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know... he was using his DEAD COMRADES to his tactical advantage. Sounds pretty desperate to me.

The American wasn't even getting target practice.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Rose]
    #3367322 - 11/16/04 02:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're right, I guess desecrating the dead is a common practice of theirs without pity or remorse.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Rose]
    #3367340 - 11/16/04 02:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess we'd be pretty pissed off too if our tours of duty were at the risk of constantly being extended, never knowing if you'll see your loved ones again.

War is such a downer. :flowerchild:

:peace: <-- the answer 

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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Stein]
    #3367342 - 11/16/04 02:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You'd be surprised what people do when they are on their home land, and loosing the battle.

Imagine, if you were losing a battle in your back yard. Would you blow up your neighbor (Ned Flanders) to protect your property?

This is just human nature.

What the American did wan't human nature, it was barberic.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: dr_gonz]
    #3367344 - 11/16/04 02:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

just a little note. We are at war with the ivory coast, hmm alot of people i have talked too missed that memo


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Rose]
    #3367358 - 11/16/04 02:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
You'd be surprised what people do when they are on their home land, and loosing the battle.

Imagine, if you were losing a battle in your back yard. Would you blow up your neighbor (Ned Flanders) to protect your property?

This is just human nature.

What the American did wan't human nature, it was barberic.




I agree, but I can't help but think about those complete saintly acts of beheading that occurred.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Xlea321]
    #3367424 - 11/16/04 03:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you kill them you take away risk of you or your fellow comrades being killed. Its a safety net to assure less US casualties. Morally, it was wrong, but I have never been in a situation where I cant tell who wants to kill me and who doesnt want to kill me, so I have to assume that it is a tough possition and the soldier acted to the best of his ability in an extremely hostile situation. Someone said it before, kill or be killed; I rather kill. As for placing a bomb on a dead enemy soldier, good for them. Use brains to kill the enemy so you can conserve ammo for direct conflict.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3367438 - 11/16/04 03:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I hope insurgents do the same to a U.S. corpse. Hey, kill or be killed, right?  :crazy2:


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3367442 - 11/16/04 03:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure they are equal oppertunity boobytrappers.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3367446 - 11/16/04 03:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey, kill or be killed, right?  :crazy2:




Yep, that defines war for ya.  But I hate to break your cold black American hating heart with the fact that we have more technologies than them and will prevail and probably kill more of them. :crazy2:


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Stein]
    #3367455 - 11/16/04 03:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wars are not won by body count.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: vampirism]
    #3367458 - 11/16/04 03:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I know, they are won by submission. Usually, who submits is the one with less army.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3367476 - 11/16/04 04:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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zahudulallah said:
I hope insurgents do the same to a U.S. corpse. Hey, kill or be killed, right?  :crazy2:




If the opportunity arises they can sure do that. In my opinion shooting a dead body isnt a crime. Especially not during a war. Of course, many of you know my stance on war crimes so I wont get into it. But, Stein is right, the person with the smaller army gives in first. If not, they die too.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3367478 - 11/16/04 04:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And unfortunately this war will be won by body count because they won't give in.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Stein]
    #3367480 - 11/16/04 04:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ah yes, you're more powerful so you must be in the right. Is that how war always worked?  :confused:


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3367484 - 11/16/04 04:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pretty much.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3367487 - 11/16/04 04:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Please show where I said we were in the right. :confused:
As I recount I only stated some facts about how war is won and opinions as to why that soldier did that descipable act.


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Re: He's faking he's dead... [Re: Stein]
    #3367504 - 11/16/04 04:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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But I hate to break your cold black American hating heart with the fact that we have more technologies than them and will prevail and probably kill more of them.




You don't have to say it directly to imply it.


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