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OfflineHenry_Halleur
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do strains degenerate?
    #3364300 - 11/15/04 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

is it true that a strain degenerates and becomes weaker if you grow from its prints again and again?
how many "generations" does it take to degenerate a strain?


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: Henry_Halleur]
    #3364313 - 11/15/04 04:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, that doesen't make any sense.

Spores are considered 1st generation, nomatter what.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: Henry_Halleur]
    #3364315 - 11/15/04 04:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i've heard this in pot... with clones, but never with mushrooms.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3364339 - 11/15/04 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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lesstutrey said:
i've heard this in pot... with clones, but never with mushrooms.


Mushroom strains tend to begin degrading if you go beyond 3 generations.

Spores are the beginning, though.. they can't be likened to a clone. The genetic material is new and fresh.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: discman1]
    #3364380 - 11/15/04 04:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so what you're saying is if you clone shrooms flesh it will degrade after 3 or so generations, but it doesn't matter if you collect spores from spore prints from spore prints?


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: discman1]
    #3364390 - 11/15/04 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

as opposed to a clone, where you take mycelium or tissue from the inside of the mushroom stipe and let that generate.

i also believe you meant to use degrade instead of degenerate... degenerate isn't a word, is it?

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you posted before me, but yeah, you have it.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3364422 - 11/15/04 04:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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lesstutrey said:
so what you're saying is if you clone shrooms flesh it will degrade after 3 or so generations, but it doesn't matter if you collect spores from spore prints from spore prints?


Yup.

It couldn't work any other way. Just think of how many spores of spores of spores of... have been produced in the wild? :wink:


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3364563 - 11/15/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

de?gen?er?ate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-jnr-t)
adj.
Having declined, as in function or nature, from a former or original state: a degenerate form of an ancient folk art.
Having fallen to an inferior or undesirable state, especially in mental or moral qualities.
Physics. Relating to two or more quantum states that share the same quantum numbers: degenerate energy levels.
Physics. Characterized by great density and consisting of atoms stripped of electrons: degenerate matter.
Medicine. Characterized by degeneration, as of tissue, a cell, or an organ.
Biology. Having lost one or more highly developed functions, characteristics, or structures through evolution: a degenerate life form.
Genetics. Having more than one codon that may code for the same amino acid.

n.
A depraved, corrupt, or vicious person.
A person lacking or having progressively lost normative biological or psychological characteristics.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: Henry_Halleur]
    #3365554 - 11/15/04 08:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Henry_Halleur said:
is it true that a strain degenerates and becomes weaker if you grow from its prints again and again?
how many "generations" does it take to degenerate a strain?




No, in fact this is how you improve strains. Just make sure to only use prints from the best fruits. Switch substrates or you may generate a sub-strain that is specific for only one substrate.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: ryan]
    #3365821 - 11/15/04 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The only exception that's been reported is with the penis envy strain. It's so degraded that you have to isolate a fruiting substrain or you won't get any fruits at all, even from spores.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: gbhtrfv]
    #3365998 - 11/15/04 09:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Right, its definately a degraded strain. Often favored because of the few spores it produces. But, that doesn't mean degradation happens because spores are used. I would think that if anything, spore mating would be on the right track to a healthier strain. But of course, like you said, you need to isolate the right ones. There are non fruiting substrains for any strain... much more likely for this particullar.


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3367946 - 11/16/04 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sorry for the wrong word.
english is not my mother-tongue  :muppet:


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Re: do strains degenerate? [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3367996 - 11/16/04 10:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ZeroArmy27 said:
i also believe you meant to use degrade instead of degenerate... degenerate isn't a word, is it?




Yea it is, my mom used to call me a degenerate all the time...


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