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Phalaris seed?
    #3364221 - 11/15/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Would it be feasible to colonize and fruit off of phalaris grass seed, or something similar (as in containing tryptamines). And, if so, would the mushrooms metabolize the tryptamines?

Wouldn't that be a TRIP...

Just a thought...

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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3364689 - 11/15/04 05:23 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

I think it was hippy3 who grew a bunch of shrooms on MJ to see if they would get some THC. I guess it didn't work.


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3364831 - 11/15/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

That's a whole different situation. THC is a lot different in structure than DMT or 4-HO-DMT.

Search through the archives. This has been done before and results were promising.


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3364985 - 11/15/04 06:33 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

It was Roger Rabbit and he just did it to be doing it. Not to try to get THC in his shrooms.


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #3365518 - 11/15/04 07:59 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

I would suggest you grow out the phalaris, get a wheat grass juicer, and put the phalaris through it. The juice will be VERY high in DMT. You can then use this juice in your cakes in place of water - it will also add nutrients. I did this once a few years back and the resulting fruits where unbelievably strong, so be VERY careful.


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3366933 - 11/16/04 12:37 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

"Gartz (1989) found that raising tryptamine concentrations of cow dung and rice media by 25 millimolars directly affected the potency of Psilocybe cubensis mycelia, specifically in psilocin content: from .o9% to 3.3% of dried mass. (Psilocybin content was actually depressed, but not nearly on the same order of magnitude.)"

"By implication, tryptamine-producing grasses could have a potentiating effecton the production of psilocybin and/or psilocin. Canary (Phalaris) grasses, known for their high dimethytryptamine content, might make excellent companions for the co-culture of Psilocybes."

(From Paul Stamets' "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World")


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: ivi]
    #3367388 - 11/16/04 03:01 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

wouldnt the seeds need to be broken up for the dmt in them to get absorbed my the mycel? just like they would be if someone wanted to eat the seeds directly?


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3368103 - 11/16/04 11:23 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

EROWID vaults are a great thing.

The seeds are not what you should be after. Its the grass clippings in this species.

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To achieve optimum alkaloid-level, however, takes some skill. Time never
stops, and everyone wants to get their phalaris as big and trypty in
as short time as possible. Parts you are after are leaves - leaves have
the highest alkaloid contents - so dont harvest anything else -
highest alkaloid concentrations are found in immature grass and leaf
blades, lowest in leaf sheaths, stems and roots.
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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: Search59]
    #3368540 - 11/16/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

Does anyone know if the seeds actually contain any actives?


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: Search59]
    #3368550 - 11/16/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

concidering that thc is produced in the resin glends of the female flower on cannabis and are not present in its seeds or any other parts of the plants makes it a given that growing mushroom on mj seeds will not give shrooms with thc, i would suspect the seeds to be a poor substrate either way also


im not sure if phalaris seeds have any tryptamines present in them, but if my suspicion is correct you get the same situation as using cannabis trying to get thc shrooms


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: shamantra]
    #3373123 - 11/17/04 10:24 AM (12 years, 25 days ago)

I agree that using MJ seeds would have no beneficial effect. The THC would even maybe hinder growth, because of its anti-microbial properties. I forgot that there is no DMT in Phalaris seed. I think I will consider growing phalaris grass and use the juice, like ryan said. Ryan, approximately how much more potent were the shrooms that you grew with the spiked water? Was it like with Stamets' "from .o9% to 3.3% of dried mass" or more (or less)? Would one mature mushroom have a pronouced effect?

Thanks for all the great replies. Keep 'em coming!


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3373142 - 11/17/04 10:32 AM (12 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3373411 - 11/17/04 11:59 AM (12 years, 25 days ago)

How is this related to the "Enthogenic Experience"? I put it in advanced cultivation because I thought it would be suited for it, because it concerns growing with DMT additives.


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: YourNameHere]
    #3373919 - 11/17/04 02:11 PM (12 years, 25 days ago)

I think I remember reading something about that around the shroomery.  The experiment was done with mimosa hostilis rootbark.  I'm sure if you look around here, (or erowid, cant remember which) you should find it.  Apparently it did work.  Howver I have no first hand experience.

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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #3377041 - 11/18/04 12:50 AM (12 years, 25 days ago)

Even if there were some DMT derivitaves in the mushrooms, wouldn't you need a MAOI to feel the effects of the tryptamines?


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: DMTelepath]
    #3377367 - 11/18/04 02:49 AM (12 years, 24 days ago)

If I'm not mistaken, it is believed that the dmt would be converted into psilocybin by the mushroom. By what process I have no idea.


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Re: Phalaris seed? [Re: lonebuddha]
    #3380008 - 11/18/04 04:57 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

That was the idea...


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