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InvisibleZero7a1
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Testing Mescaline Powder
    #3364120 - 11/15/04 03:24 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Does anyone here know of a definative way to test "Mescaline Powder" to see if it is the "real deal"? What kind of chemcials would be needed, or what kind of reaction would need to take place to determine?

Are there certain things that other things that are sold as mescaline would react to differently with different chemicals... what about PH levels, what is the relative PH of extracted/powdered mescaline?


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3364212 - 11/15/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

one definitive tell-tale is the amount of powder. it would take a considerable amount of powder just to get threshhold dosage. something around an 0 capsule stuffed to the brim.

every time i've seen some capsule being hawked as mescaline it was a 00 or 000 with just enough powder to reach the curve of the cap end. obviously a RC.

i'd be curious to hear the answers to the questions your asking tho.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3364565 - 11/15/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Not sure if there is a definitive test for mescaline.....dont think marquis reagent( X pill test kits) will react with it.....If there is some sort of test for it, most likely it will be sort of exotic and hard to come by or just simply not meant for the amatuer chemist....

The above poster has it right though...... If someone is trying to sell you a tiny amount of powder( a 'bump' or so) in a gel cap, then it is almost surely a research chem of some sort....

If someone is trying to sell you a large gel cap filled up allthe way with a crystaline substance( may be green colored from the extraction still or may be cleaned crystal) then its a good chance its mesc. or at least multi-alkaloid extract from some cacti


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3365504 - 11/15/04 07:57 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

A melting point test should pretty much be able to discern it from imposters. Its not easy to do it properly and accuratly though. Do a search, if you still dont get it and you are serious about it, just post here again and i will try to help.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3366110 - 11/15/04 09:52 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

this is the best link i have found so far... the lycaeum doesnt even have that much information that i could find.

l i n k

Im wondering if there is some kind of ph test i can perorm... like maybe is there some sort of chemical that might react with a certain acid... or something like that?


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3366168 - 11/15/04 10:02 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

There is something called Marquis reagent that x-fiends use to test for mdma. It should indicate mescaline and maybe even give a distinct color but i wouldnt count on it. Thats as close as you can get without the proper equipment.

Apparently, impure (most) mescaline has a broad mp so that wont help you, sorry.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Catalysis]
    #3366210 - 11/15/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Sweet, that sounds like a plan, i might get some and see what it does.. .apparently you dont need much of the liquid, so i can see what other stuff has in case i ever need to. This should be an interesting find.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3366425 - 11/15/04 11:05 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

rule of thumb: if some dude is trying to sell you "mescaline powder" in gelcaps, most likely it is some RC - probably 2C-I or something similar else to mescaline. This is especially true if the person trying to sell it to you is some jackoff kid who obviously knows little about organic chemistry. For the most part, the only "mescaline" you'll see is san pedro or PT sludge - and that is hardly something you see in retail/bulk quantities.

here's a test you can do: ask the person how exactly the mescaline was synthesized. Have him/her explain the technical details.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Vvellum]
    #3366479 - 11/15/04 11:17 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

See it was given to me by someone whom it was given to... they got it from someone who went to B-ville and synthesized it themselves... or so was said. Thats the only info i have... I think this x test might be somewhat beneficial... Im just trying to go with what information i have and form the best course of action... if i can determine that it isnt toxic, i would like to take it :laugh:... it looks like it could be enough to fit into a 0 sized gel cap...


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Vvellum]
    #3366486 - 11/15/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Well the dose for 2c-i and 2c-b etc. are significantly less than mesc. The dose for the research chems is anywhere from 20-60 mg whereas mesc. is 200-400 mg. Now, he could cut them with something but you should be able to detect that easily in a more simple melting point test. Just do some research on melting points. You may be able to use a simple setup to determine if the mp is just abnormally high. Then again, if i was you and got it from a trusted person, i would probably just take it lol.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3366524 - 11/15/04 11:25 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

i just make it my self to make sure its real


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Catalysis]
    #3366561 - 11/15/04 11:32 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

i dont know how to verify this data.

Another Link

it says the melting point is 95 degrees fahrenheit.. so knowing that... what other information would i need to do to carry out this "experiment"?


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3366621 - 11/15/04 11:42 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Well the melting point is about 180C which would be very hard to do.

However, a ghetto setup could be a small piece of aluminum foil kinda cupped around a good thermometer (candy therm. might work)...place a small sample in the foil cup right next to and touching the therm. Then very gradually and broadly heat the underside of the cup with a lighter until you see the sample begin to melt. Mescaline will melt anywhere from 150-200C...not very accurate but maybe a good indicator.

The key is trying to keep the therm. reading to accurately reflect the sample temp.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Catalysis]
    #3366975 - 11/16/04 12:46 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

well the melting point said it was 35 degrees celsius, whereas the boiling point is 180 degrees celsius... should it make a difference in my tests?


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3368471 - 11/16/04 01:17 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

Read this link . The melting point of the salt (likely sulfate or hydrochloride), is what you use. You don't have mescaline freebase, because that is an oil, not powder/crystals. If you can acquire concentrated nitric acid, dissolve your sample in chloroform, add nitric acid, carefully! If it turns a dark red color, the sample could be mescaline. If you can get Marquis reagent, look for a strong orange color. For more options and info check out good old Erowid.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3368490 - 11/16/04 01:22 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

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See it was given to me by someone whom it was given to... they got it from someone who went to B-ville and synthesized it themselves... or so was said.




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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Vvellum]
    #3368501 - 11/16/04 01:25 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

fer real.

extracted? maybe, it's believable.
synthesized? yeah, right... my ass.

if they got the 2 terms mixed up then they are lying anyway.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: debianlinux]
    #3368714 - 11/16/04 02:18 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

Yeah, why would someone go through the trouble of synthesizing something that can be extracted from legal sources? If they have that much chemical know-how, they could probably make a very pure extract anyway. That's like trying to synthesize THC, why waste your time when you can make a phone call and get it?


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: Lifenergy]
    #3368876 - 11/16/04 02:57 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

I'd synth mescaline if i had the know how!
My cacti don't grow fast enough for me to eat as much as i would like to :crazy2: Besides that, i feel bad in mutilating it.

But i definitely wouldn't sell synthesized or extracted mescaline. Too much labor in exchange for too little doses. I wouldn't sell it by less than 50? a 500mg dose and no one pays that when they can spend 10? in a nifty dose of LSD or mushrooms.

If i could synth mesc i'd also be able to synth MDMA which is easier and A LOT more profitable in the drug market.


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Re: Testing Mescaline Powder [Re: debianlinux]
    #3368898 - 11/16/04 03:03 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

yall are reading way too much into my wording... thats useless, its already been established that there is no conclusive evidence that i have so far to tell me what it is or isnt.

Im gonna go with the methods and either obtain the reagant or try to mess with nitric acid.


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