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Re: Cessation of Thought [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3368302 - 11/16/04 10:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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too many concepts in this




:rolleyes: Too many concepts in what??

Exactly. Failure to express oneself and their idea effectively, which belies the point.

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Re: Cessation of Thought [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3368382 - 11/16/04 10:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

cessation of thought is a direction like north or left.

( I have seen it propounded on in buddhist texts )

the purpose for moving in the direction of cessation can be evident

and it can be approached indirectly (by a mental movement like releasing, and bare awareness).

however
it is not exactly "achieved" as such (does one achieve north?),
and the concept here is being fondled to the extent of tumescing.

extending it does not seem to clarify anything; it remains just a direction and while there is value in it, it is not an end in itself (pun)


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Re: Cessation of Thought [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3368412 - 11/16/04 10:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
and the concept here is being fondled to the extent of tumescing.




I don't see how this is true. What I see here is people with similar experiences expressing themselves in a manner in which others will be able to understand what they are saying and "get" the message. There is nothing wrong with communicating with each other in a manner that is conducive to actual idea exchange. :grin:

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Re: Cessation of Thought [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3368592 - 11/16/04 11:47 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In buddhism, (where this issue comes from,) cessation is not really a goal to be achieved, but one that is used instrumentally - one orients towards it as if it were a goal.
in that way it is a direction. After orienting, it is dropped, or left to hang - disengaged.
Can you see that it is not an end in itself, but part of the process of meditation, like a trick of orientation.
Consider as when you teach a dog to sit, you raise your finger and it approaches, then you move it back and it sits, neither position is an end in itself but part of the guidance system.

(BTW, after any serious meditation you have to tell yourself a good joke - best not to take yourself too seriously at all)


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Re: Cessation of Thought [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3368617 - 11/16/04 11:53 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Can you see that it is not an end in itself, but part of the process of meditation, like a trick of orientation.




I haven't proposed that it is an end at all, and not only that, I said that actual cessation of thoughts is not going to occur very often, unless one completely dedicates themselves to it at all times, and then, it wouldn't really be reasonable.

My entire post had to do with the benefits of centering in being and not in mind, not with cessation of mind. :wink:

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