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MIKESHERRY
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Is this pereskiopsis?
#3356425 - 11/13/04 03:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought it was but when i tried grafting on it the graft took, but the plant dropped it's stem above the last leaf node. Maybe it's a different type of pereskiopsis, maybe pereskiopsis grandfloria? (may have spelled that wrong)
Edited by MIKESHERRY (11/13/04 04:00 PM)
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Stonehenge
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: MIKESHERRY]
#3356584 - 11/13/04 04:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doesn't look like it to me.
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: MIKESHERRY]
#3356704 - 11/13/04 05:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Possibly, the spines say yes, but the leaves seem a bit thin and the edges curling upwards isn't consistent with my own pereskiopsis. Although I have seen quite a variation of leaf shape within pereskiopsis.
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Stonehenge
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Jackal]
#3357199 - 11/13/04 07:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, the leaves are what made me sure it wasn't. As you say, the spines are similar. Leaves on a pereskiopsis are never that thin. They may be long and narrow, short and wide but they generally have that diamond shape and they never look like those leaves. I couldn't say what they were, they may be a related species but it's definately a different species.
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Stonehenge]
#3358123 - 11/13/04 11:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Could a pereskiopsis grow like this from being underwatered and hardened off?
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Hooty
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Gr0wer]
#3358397 - 11/14/04 12:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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It really does look like a pereskiopsis other than the leaves....
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: MIKESHERRY]
#3358416 - 11/14/04 01:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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They look like it to me...
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Stonehenge
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Gumby]
#3359600 - 11/14/04 11:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I should have said it's not a p. spathulata which is the one most commonly used. It may be another species of pereskiopsis.
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Stonehenge]
#3359750 - 11/14/04 12:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do all pereskiopsis have spines or hairs at the leaf nodes? Does anyone know of any species that don't? I ask because a friend emailed these photos and asked if it was a species of pereskiopsis. It looks more like a succulent to me, but I'm no expert and the pics aren't great. Any opinions?
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Lifenergy]
#3360179 - 11/14/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, they all have spines at the nodes.
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Gumby]
#3363628 - 11/15/04 11:22 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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looks like a jade to me
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Lifenergy
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I thought so myself, but his pics were crappy and he said he was almost certain he had a pereskiopsis. Wishful thinking on his part. I sent him pics of my pereskiopsis, and he has actually seen mine, but he won't listen. He has some lopho seedlings, which I gave him by the way, and says he is going to attempt to graft them anyway. I told him such an attempt would surely fail, but he doesn't care about facts, only in trying to prove me wrong. I think we all may have some friends like that.
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Lifenergy]
#3365610 - 11/15/04 06:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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One more thing to add about the plant that i have in question. under good light and lots of root space the leafs grew to about 6 inches long and 3 inches wide. does this fit? or does this mean that it's not one?
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Stonehenge
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: MIKESHERRY]
#3368324 - 11/16/04 10:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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No way, pereskiopsis do not grow leaves that size.
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Stonehenge]
#3387326 - 11/20/04 01:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is a pereskia not a pereskiopsis. I think that some folks have tried grafting using it and that it did work but the success rates are lower. Can't recall for sure though so don't take that as doctrine. Give it a shot and report how it works for you.
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M_S_Smith
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Maverik]
#3388532 - 11/20/04 09:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope, not Pereskiopsis, but rather Pereskia, likely the oldest living progenitor of the Cactacaea.
I am not sure if it is a good candidate for grafting, but I have used Rhipsalis for grafting and so it will likely work. I don't recommend Rhipsalis though as they don't seem to cause dramatically increased growth speeds like Pereskiopsis do. Another plant I would highly recommend for grafting, particularly for seedlings too large for Pereskiopsis, but which is rarely seen, is Quiabentia species. They are very much like Pereskiopsis, bearing extremely succulent leaves (unlike Pereskia), but have a much larger diameter and maintain a more succulent stem longer than Pereskiopsis. I have one which I plan on attempting a graft to soon. If it works I will likely cut the plant into small sections for propagation as this is a plant you will be hard pressed to find and seems to grow rapidly, though slightly slower than Pereskiopsis.
I would post a picture, but I don't see a browser function for it and don't know how to post them otherwise.
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Stonehenge
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: M_S_Smith]
#3388676 - 11/20/04 10:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Greetings, Michael. For those who don't know him, this is a recognised expert in the field of cacti and succulents. He has a book out.
I guess that settles the question of whether it's pereskiopsis or not. It isn't!
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: M_S_Smith]
#3388795 - 11/20/04 11:15 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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i was gonna say pereskia too
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M_S_Smith
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Mitchnast]
#3388829 - 11/20/04 11:23 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well Maverik has earned his wings, and I'm sure you are on your way too Stonehenge if you haven't earned them already. Thanks for the welcome.
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: M_S_Smith]
#3391267 - 11/20/04 10:41 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indeed, greetings!
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: neuro]
#3391657 - 11/21/04 12:29 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Glad you reg'd over here too MSS. I was going to post your Rhipsalis thread but I guess you have the ability to do that now.
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M_S_Smith
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: Maverik]
#3392298 - 11/21/04 05:40 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Mav, I suppose I could post it here, but unfortunately there is no browser to include pictures and I don't know how to otherwise.
Feel free to post the Rhipsalis thread, along with the photos if you can.
~Michael~
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Re: Is this pereskiopsis? [Re: M_S_Smith]
#3392694 - 11/21/04 10:28 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you tried uploading pics to your gallery here? It's easy, just go to the top of the page, look for "my pics" and click. You will see a button for upload and then you browse for the pic in your files and upload it. Then you get a url you can copy and paste in your posts.
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