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OfflineKaptKid
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Hard or Soft Tap Water
    #3355226 - 11/13/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

How does someone tell the deferance? :confused:


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3355236 - 11/13/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

get a tester....ask at a hardware store or something similar.,..meijer?


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: dobinky]
    #3355238 - 11/13/04 12:46 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

I dont think you should worry that much about your tap water. If its safe to drink it should be safe enough for your cultures.

If all else fails, boil it or buy distilled water.


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: call_me_kido]
    #3355258 - 11/13/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

You should be able to tell. Generally if you have a well without water softener, it's going to be hard water. City water, I believe, is soft when compared to well water and if you have a water softener then definetly.


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3355317 - 11/13/04 01:10 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

My city is supposed to have "harder" water than my grandparents city. When I go visit them and have a shower or wash my hands, it feels like the soap wont come off. So matter how much I rinse myself, the soap just wont come off.

They say that's because they're water is soft. :confused:


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: recalcitrant]
    #3355323 - 11/13/04 01:12 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

i find what you're speaking of to be caused by different brands of soap..... Some just feel like they wont ever come off.


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: derx]
    #3355761 - 11/13/04 03:07 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

This water will be used in cool mist and ultrasonic.Instructions say hard water is harder to clean up after and will leave residue inside the furiting chamber.

I don't want to be attack by a mutant shroom.


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3355775 - 11/13/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3356249 - 11/13/04 05:05 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Yeah hard water is called hard cause of the calcium in it.

Here people in cities often have harder water which is killing washing machines and coffee-automates.

I live in an area where the water is rather soft ("DH" is about 8 here, when its hard its above 15 I guess.)

So the residue will be calcium, maybe you dont have to add limestone anymore to yer casings! :laugh:


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3356334 - 11/13/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

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MushroomFriend said:I live in an area where the water is rather soft ("DH" is about 8 here, when its hard its above 15 I guess.)





What is "DH" or did you mean ph? :confused:


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3356405 - 11/13/04 05:51 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Its the equivalent of ph, what Ph is for the acidness that is Dh for the hardness.
It stands for Duitse Hardheid (Translated: german hardness).

Dont know how it is expressed in US? Maybe Fahrenheit? :lol:


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3356866 - 11/13/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

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MushroomFriend said:
Maybe Fahrenheit? :lol:




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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3356949 - 11/13/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Thanks, Man.Will do a search latter tonight. Really need to find out more on this.I'm not going to buy water from a store but I will process it.

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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3357607 - 11/13/04 11:22 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

The reason washing with soft water makes it feel the soap isnt comming off is because you actually washed everything off. When you wash with hard water there are things (calcium) in it that dry onto your skin giving it a rough feel that your used to. Soft water wont leave these making your skin feel slippery..especially under soft water which is "wetter". It feels much more slippery because of the lack of calcium and much more like soap (which mostly all contain softeners to work better, some more then others).My father worked with my uncle in the water sofening business (my uncle owns the producer that supplies culligan and many other big names with there crap) and I picked up a number of things about water contents, softeners and the things they do.


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3357896 - 11/14/04 12:43 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Would distilling work to get rid of the calcium?


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3357936 - 11/14/04 12:58 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Yes. Distilled water is soft water.


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3357996 - 11/14/04 01:22 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

We call water "hard" if it contains a lot of calcium or magnesium dissolved in it. Hard water causes two problems: ? It can cause "scale" to form on the inside of pipes, water heaters, tea kettles and so on. The calcium and magnesium precipitate out of the water and stick to things. The scale doesn't conduct heat well and it also reduces the flow through pipes. Eventually, pipes can become completely clogged. ? It reacts with soap to form a sticky scum, and also reduces the soap's ability to lather. Since most of us like to wash with soap, hard water makes a bath or shower less productive. The solution to hard water is either to filter the water by distillation or reverse osmosis to remove the calcium and magnesium, or to use a water softener. Filtration would be extremely expensive to use for all the water in a house, so a water softener is usually a less costly solution. The idea behind a water softener is simple. The calcium and magnesium ions in the water are replaced with sodium ions. Since sodium does not precipitate out in pipes or react badly with soap, both of the problems of hard water are eliminated. To do the ion replacement, the water in the house runs through a bed of small plastic beads or through a chemical matrix called zeolite. The beads or zeolite are covered with sodium ions. As the water flows past the sodium ions, they swap places with the calcium and magnesium ions. Eventually, the beads or zeolite contain nothing but calcium and magnesium and no sodium, and at this point they stop softening the water. It is then time to regenerate the beads or zeolite. Regeneration involves soaking the beads or zeolite in a stream of sodium ions. Salt is sodium chloride, so the water softener mixes up a very strong brine solution and flushes it through the zeolite or beads (this is why you load up a water softener with salt). The strong brine displaces all of the calcium and magnesium that has built up in the zeolite or beads and replaces it again with sodium. The remaining brine plus all of the calcium and magnesium is flushed out through a drain pipe. Regeneration can create a lot of salty water, by the way -- something like 25 gallons (95 liters).

What I found so far.


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3358849 - 11/14/04 06:35 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

You could try a petshop which has aquariums and has some knowledge about waterquality and stuff.
From my aquarium days I know that many fish have demands about the waters Ph and DH values. I had south american cichlids who craved soft and neutral water, their habitat is forest rivers. Soft = very low DH like 4, and neutral Ph was about 6 or 7. Vulcanic lakes for exampel have a very high DH. Caused by the "stoney" environment.

Lol, now im going off topic! :wink:

So aquariumshops should have simple DH-meters! :thumbup:


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Re: Hard or Soft Tap Water [Re: KaptKid]
    #3358966 - 11/14/04 08:35 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

Put a couple of drops on some glass and let it air dry. If the water leaves a noticable stain when held to the light, you have hard water, if it's hardly visible it's soft water.

Not very accurate, but good enough to give a rough indication.


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