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Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders?
    #3353613 - 11/12/04 11:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I thought that fetus' weren't humans, and therefore, not subject to protection under the law. Isn't it a man's choice if he wants to carve his wife up!


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3353618 - 11/12/04 11:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

IMO, a fetus is the property of the mother.


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3353623 - 11/12/04 11:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

rofl!!!!


Good one!


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3353662 - 11/12/04 11:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It does seem like some bullshit.

Peterson should appeal to the Supreme Court while he's waiting to get fried.
At least the jury made the right call for once.


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: Gijith]
    #3354395 - 11/13/04 03:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So one count of murder one, and one count of destruction of property. Pro-lifers would have a fit. The murder two for the fetus is a definite victory for the pro-life camp. Women keep a close eye on your uterus's, they are about to be hijacked!


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3354401 - 11/13/04 03:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A fetus is the property of the fetus.


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3355897 - 11/13/04 03:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What happens when you burn baby's face off?

It makes weird noises and crawls into walls.


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3356204 - 11/13/04 04:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If she intended to have the baby then it's a human. If she was going to abort it, then it was nothing.







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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3356948 - 11/13/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

American hypocrisy at it's best.

Fetus has no rights, when mother wants to abort.
Fetus has rights, when victim of Murder by father.
Fetus has no rights when society chooses not to hold mother liable for the food she eats, liquid she drinks, and just about anything else that a mother can do while pregnant that can and does contribute to the health of the fetus during developemnet inutero.

Both the liberals and the conservatives are hypocrites. I would say Fetus has no rights, at least I would be consistent.

Legal abortion.
No murder conviction.
Society can't control what moms can put into their bodies while pregnant.

Consistency is KEY.

Or you can go the other way.
No abortion
Murder conviction
Mother has no rights if potential harm can come to innocent fetus.

Litmus test for hypocrisy.


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: EonTan]
    #3357863 - 11/14/04 12:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

good thread topic, ive wondered about this as well.

what if a mother accidently kills her unborn child by falling down on her stoach.

is she criminally negligent?
could she be charged by the state?
i doubt it....


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: EonTan]
    #3358079 - 11/14/04 01:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

American hypocrisy at it's best.

Fetus has no rights, when mother wants to abort.
Fetus has rights, when victim of Murder by father.
Fetus has no rights when society chooses not to hold mother liable for the food she eats, liquid she drinks, and just about anything else that a mother can do while pregnant that can and does contribute to the health of the fetus during developemnet inutero.

Both the liberals and the conservatives are hypocrites. I would say Fetus has no rights, at least I would be consistent.

Legal abortion.
No murder conviction.
Society can't control what moms can put into their bodies while pregnant.

Consistency is KEY.

Or you can go the other way.
No abortion
Murder conviction
Mother has no rights if potential harm can come to innocent fetus.

Litmus test for hypocrisy.




couldn't have said it better...


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3359461 - 11/14/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
If she intended to have the baby then it's a human. If she was going to abort it, then it was nothing.



So we just don't take into account the child's opinion on this?


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3359525 - 11/14/04 01:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck unborn kids. We have enough living humans to concern ourselves with already. You're on your own until you're 7 months old or whatever it is.






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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3359528 - 11/14/04 01:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3359566 - 11/14/04 01:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i hate the fact that in this country a huge majority of people are following this trial. Why? why is this so special? After the verdict came out i heard some reporter ask this question. She was like "why has this case become so mainstream? why has it touched a nerve" This made me mad. It's because of dumb bitches like herself and all the assholes in charge of the media who have been steadily shoving this bullshit down everyones throats for months! It hasn't touched a nerve it's just been so hyped up and has been made to look so important that now every idiot in the country thinks it is important. People are told "this is news. This is very important. You should care about this" and they buy it when all it really is is some kind of crutch type of story the media can fall back on when something that actually matters occurs like the battle of fallujah. We live in a country where more people are aware of what this trials verdict is than they are of the fact that a major battle is being waged in iraq and that people are dying left and right. This guys trial is getting more coverage than an actual world shaping event is receiving and that pisses me off.

And hordes of people outside cheering at the verdict? What the fuck is wrong with those people. They aren't personally connected with the trial. They haven't seen all the evidence. Sowhy are they cheering? Because they are idiots who are so sad about a little fetus getting killed....awww. Give me a fucking break. Why don't they actually put their time and effort into an actual cause that matters or maybe protest or support a trial that might set a important precedent. Do something worth a shit, damn. I mean, i don't see these fuckers rallying for that guy who just, after 20 years, got released because he ended up being innocent and then was given nothing at all despite the fact that the government destroyed and wasted his entire life. What am i thinking though...the people outside of the courthouse at the peterson trial probably aren't even aware of what i'm talking about.


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3359674 - 11/14/04 02:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you polled the number of living people, most would say that they would rather be alive than dead. Ergo, most fetus' would, given the chance, exist. Until they can say that they don't want to exist, it's murder to kill them


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3359684 - 11/14/04 02:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A fetus is not fully human yet, and thus does not have all the rights thereof.


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3359693 - 11/14/04 02:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

But without intervention, it will. If it's not a human, when will you start protesting Petersons conviction on murder of his fetus? If I run down the street bayonetteing pregnant women, just killing their fetus, I should only be charged with aggravated assault, not murder?


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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: retread]
    #3359711 - 11/14/04 02:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Why would a fetus care either way? Maybe the soul of the fetus is well aware that it's purpose in this world is to be aborted.







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Re: Peterson Trial; Guiltyof TWO Murders? [Re: EonTan]
    #3360173 - 11/14/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A more simplistic solution to this is, dont kill people. If you dont kill, we dont have to be specific about the opinion of a fetus.


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