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Offlinetheocean06
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MJ seeds to P.O. Box
    #3352365 - 11/12/04 03:22 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

http://pe. usps.gov/text/dmm/D910.htm#Xbr4476

I just have one about the P.O. Box. I plan on ordering marijuana seeds, which of course are illegal in the US, and was wondering, I am putting myself at a greater risk by ordering them to a government building then to my own place? I mean, ordering something illegal to have a government agency hold it for me? That makes me a little nervous. I originally was going to order everything to there, but ordering a bong to the post office...I don't think so, I think I'll just order that to my place, but about those seeds? Also, it says you need to have two forms of identification, and that one of them must have a picture I.D. - Well, I good with that (license) but then it says that a birth certificate is unacceptable. Now, were they saying it was unacceptable to that fact that you can't just bring that, you need picture I.D. or that it is an unacceptable form of identification and they won't count that towards the 2 pieces that you need.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3352570 - 11/12/04 03:58 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

well, first off, you probably dont want a direct URL to a federal website in a thread about your plans on breaking the law...I'd edit that.

I would avoid this.
sure you might get away with it
but it's always a good idea to avoid any papertrail.
papertrail = retarded.

signing up for a PO Box for sole reason of importing
cannabis seeds from another country is just a bad move.
you're creating opportunities to get busted.

cant you find some seeds locally?
or at the very least have it sent to a safe location that isnt linked directly to you?

be paranoid and discreet.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Vvellum]
    #3352646 - 11/12/04 04:14 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Well I got that link out of the sticky at the top of this page. Also, my sole purpose will not be to just use it for mj seeds. Everything I end up ordering would just go there.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3352801 - 11/12/04 04:47 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Look for people in the Marketplace to trade you seeds.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3353173 - 11/12/04 06:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=495047

There is a thread bout ordering seeds over at overgrow.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Super_Blunt]
    #3353457 - 11/12/04 08:27 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

No, I mean I want to order from a seed vendor and basically was asking the risks involved in ordering seeds to a P.O. Box. Now, they probably aren't high, because what are the chances that a mailman is snooping around my stuff? Not likely at all...

Edit: should say want not have


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3354337 - 11/13/04 12:39 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

yes, you'd probably get away with it, but the point is to minimize all chances of being busted. In my opinion, using a PO Box in your own name just creates more possibilities of unwanted trouble. there must be better and more discreet options.

when committing felonies, you cannot afford to be sloppy or play "what are the chances..." game.

minimize or eliminate all possible bust opportunities.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Vvellum]
    #3355399 - 11/13/04 11:33 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

If you have a UPS store near you I would say get a PMB their, that's what I got, I've never had cannabis seeds sent there, but I've had other stuff sent there, they only require one form of ID, it's actually cheaper to rent a box there than the post office, they give you not only a key to your box but also a key to the store so you can go get your mail even after business hours, and it's not a government run building so I'm sure that's alittle more comforting. and no, things that come to the box don't have to be sent UPS.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: thegnomeking]
    #3355416 - 11/13/04 11:38 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

also, you don't have to wait 2-3 days to get an application reveiwed like at the post office, you just walk in fill out a form, show them your ID, they give you the keys, and you on your way. when I first went there I was in and out in 15 minutes. good luck, by the way


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: thegnomeking]
    #3361959 - 11/14/04 09:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

last i read in high times mj seeds are still legal the local head shops used to sell them for "identifacation only"


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: onetime]
    #3363591 - 11/15/04 11:13 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

nah man, cannabis seeds are definatly not legal in the US. notice all those seed companies in high times are mostly based in canada and holland, they say they will ship them here but they don't really tell you anything about you having trouble reciving them. from what I understand seeds used to be legal though, I wonder when and why they made them illegal. probably worth me lookng it up.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: thegnomeking]
    #3363693 - 11/15/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

a private store wont be any safer than a post office - why would it be? they both follow the same drug laws; any decent owner/management is not going to do anyone a favor at the expense of their business.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Vvellum]
    #3364375 - 11/15/04 02:20 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

There is something about ordering to a privately owned business rather then a government agency that gives me a certain level of comfort.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3366514 - 11/15/04 09:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I understand that, but I fail to really see the legal differences - both parties seem to be bound by the same laws. false sense of security, perhaps.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3367047 - 11/15/04 11:02 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Only in the tracking of said seeds.

Bottom line, they're illegal in the U.S.

Ya takes your shot and ya takes your chances...


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #3367503 - 11/16/04 02:30 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

could buy some rives seeds with them. they look very similar to a dummy. i get stuff ordered to my po box with no problems. as long as teh box doesnt look suspicous. ive only had 1 package opened so far that i know of and it did have illegal stuf fin it. they didnt even realize or remove it. they dont seem to bright. i would get the seeds mailed seperatly as well. pretty obvious what they are when they are with a bong and what not.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: kadakuda]
    #3368804 - 11/16/04 12:36 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't plan on ordering the bong with the seeds, that would just be stupid.  I also plan on ordering the bong to my house, it's just a bong :wink: - really no danger ordering that

UPS...PO Box...UPS...PO Box...:crazy:


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: kadakuda]
    #3368842 - 11/16/04 12:46 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

When you say they opened your package, I thought that legally the post office cannot open anyone's mail unless they get some kind of court order?  Some Postal Act or Mail Act :crazy: Don't quite remember the name, but How UPS or Fedex or some place like that can legally open any piece of mail sent through them, but how the post office can't.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3369116 - 11/16/04 01:53 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

whack. it was canadian customs that opened mine not the post office.  or thats what the pretty yellow tape said :smile:  if it were me (and the place had them) id still have some cheap seeds that look similar sent with them.  labeled as teh same.  make it look legit.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: kadakuda]
    #3369234 - 11/16/04 02:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

The U.S. Customs service opens packages all the time without warrants. Fed Ex, UPS and other companies may allow the customs service to do this, but they themselves will not do this because it's bad for business and opens them up for lawsuits. If they have a suspicious package, they are more inclined to call the authorities than to take it upon themselves to violate their customers' trust.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3369816 - 11/16/04 04:28 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You do make a good point bi0. I think I'm going to go with the P.O. Box instead of the UPS - Thank you guys for your help.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3370522 - 11/16/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i know three people two in wa state one in MN that been cought with seeds and the cops gave them back after they were done with them


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: onetime]
    #3370596 - 11/16/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

the cops gave the seeds back?


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3370631 - 11/16/04 06:52 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

yes two of the guys were good freinds and one was my gf they said they are legal but cops are stupid and dont know the laws most the time i think its non citeable in washington as its a medical state and they are legal for medical use here


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3370717 - 11/16/04 07:03 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

err, that wasnt my advice. my advice was having cannabis seeds sent to a PO box in your own name is foolish and to be avoided. All I said about USPS vs UPS is that there is little difference between the two in regards to security - either option would be a retarded choice.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Vvellum]
    #3370781 - 11/16/04 07:14 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

No, I meant you have a point in that it doesn't really matter if I choose a P.O. Box or the UPS store.  Also, I don't see how it is retarded because even if those seeds were to be confiscated (which isn't very likely at all) - 20 confiscated seeds = :smirk:

The thing I care about is not having them sent to the place I am growing


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3371509 - 11/16/04 09:18 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

well good luck to you. I personally wouldnt have any name associated with a felony by way of papertrail.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Vvellum]
    #3371668 - 11/16/04 09:50 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
well good luck to you. I personally wouldnt have any name associated with a felony by way of papertrail.




Ordering illegal things to any location that has your real name on it is asking for trouble.
Ask a friend you trust to order them, adn then "lose" them.
Get a fake and open the box.

Any number of ways.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #3372253 - 11/17/04 12:09 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

yup
that's security 101

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #3372875 - 11/17/04 04:51 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

The thing is, I don't want anyone to know about my grow until harvest time, when someone will probably found out due to the amount of mj I have.  "Get a fake and open the box" I don't know about that one, all the fake ID's around here seem to be from out of state.

bi0, you say you "wouldnt have any name associated with a felony" but have you heard of anyone getting in trouble for 20 seeds?  I haven't.  Paper trail? Like if I get busted for the grow, they can say I bought seeds?  At that point seeds wouldn't really matter. 

Anyway, you guys make it seem like if i were to buy seeds then the cops would were monitoring me or something.  They don't put cops on you for seeds.  Either they find them and take them, or they don't find them.  I think there is too much paranoia in this thread :wink:


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3373593 - 11/17/04 10:45 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

you're playing the "what are the chances..." game - this has led many down the road toward felony convictions.

you are familiar with operation green merchant, correct? The DEA would monitor people who entered hydroponic stores; they would copy down the license plate numbers of customers, follow and spy on them, steal their garbage, and subpoena utility bills to check electrical usage, among other tactics in their effort to catch and arrest people for marijuana cultivation. do you think that any of these customers ever knew what was going on? The people that served 10+ years in federal prison probably wished they were more paranoid and had taken an extra step so that they did not purchase the hydro equipment themselves.

See, I do not consider myself paranoid because all of my concerns are reasonable. My concern for your well-being has bearing on reality. I believe you probably will get away with this, but the point of security culture is to minimize all vectors of possbile bust scenerios - having cannabis seeds sent directly to a place in your name that you will be picking up yourself to take to your grow place is a massive bust opportunity that can easily be avoided. Why not take the extra step and have the seeds sent elsewhere? Spend a few days thinking of how it can be done - you'll come up with something.

If you're so confident in the US Postal Service respecting your privacy, why not have the seeds sent to your grow location? I mean, why bother with a PO Box? If your name is on the PO Box, there is no real difference.

I wish you good luck - I know someone serving time for a drug bust similar to what you're attempting. He was careless and played the "what are the chances..." game and lost. He's got 12 more years in a federal pen. And once he gets out, he'll never get a decent job because of the felony charges on his record.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Vvellum]
    #3374321 - 11/17/04 01:41 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for your reply bi0, I can see you are a man who knows what he is talking about and is concerned with my well-being and I thank you for that. I meant no disrespect when I called you paranoid, for when it comes to drugs, being paranoid is, in most cases, a good thing. I was unaware of operation green merchant (I will be growing outside if that matters), and have gotten most of my information about the subject from overgrow.com - here is an example:

http://overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?...mp;pagenumber=1

"When you order seeds, if customs finds them, they will be seized. In the US you will get a note stating that they have been seized and that's the end of it. There will be no agents showing up at your door. You will not be under surveillance for the rest of your life"

"Possession of seeds alone, while technically a criminal offence will 99% of the time not result in your arrest. It is simply not worth anyone's while. There is one reported case in Canada where a person was busted for 1000's of seeds in a headshop. The fine was $250. I know of no cases in the US, if someone else does, please post it"

"Simply put, for the police to know or care about seeds being shipped to you would require a great deal of money, resources and the cooperation of several international agencies. If you are on the hot list of mail recipents in the Customs and DEA/RCMP/Interpol database, you should not be growing in the first place."


So you see, that is just part of the reason why I am so "confident" (that is not quite the word I would use to describe the way I'm acting, but it gets the point across), but I hope I am not coming off as cocky or rude for I truly do appreciate your advice.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3374370 - 11/17/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Also from overgrow.com

http://overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?...mp;pagenumber=2

"The only real danger of having the seeds sent to your grow show is the fact that you might already be under surveillance and this could further grounds for a warrant.

The other problem is the "X-Factor."

The X-Factor being some nosy person either in customs or the post office, or an accident where the seeds are discovered and Johnny Born Again who happens to be your postman decides to make a fuss....

You never know, and as the term implies, you can't predict the possible troubles. So, out of prudence.....send them elsewhere if possible.

I have things like clones and seeds sent to my office just because I want to make sure I actually get them. I don't grow at home so I would also send them there, but my mailbox is not secure.

Realistically the concept of sending them to your grow op is not much of a concern unless you are already being watched, and if that is the case - the game is pretty much over anyway.

I would argue that it is much safer to send them to your home than to implicate another person.

In my experience, people just can't keep thier mouths shut"

1) Might already be under surveillance - I'm not
2) Postman finding them - well, my mailman comes in a big truck and has to deliver hundreds of items daily. He stops at my mailbox, puts the mail in, and leaves in about 5 seconds so there is about a 99.99% (basically it isn't) chance that isn't going to happen
3) mailbox is not secure - Mine is, it's all by itself, not next to any other mailbox so unless someone is robbing my mailbox (which has never happened), I have nothing to worry there


"In my experience, people just can't keep thier mouths shut"

That's my biggest concern. See, I've got two people in mind where I could send them to, and there my best friends. There great guys, but I don't about trusting them with something like that. People love to feel important and talking about someone's grow is a great conversation piece. I'm afraid they might blab the secret.


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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: theocean06]
    #3374429 - 11/17/04 02:07 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

well good luck :thumbup:
maybe some day we will not have to worry about being busted for something as innocuous as marijuana.

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Re: MJ seeds to P.O. Box [Re: Vvellum]
    #3374480 - 11/17/04 02:15 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

And you made a good point when you said it doesn't really matter if I send it to a P.O. Box since it will be in my real name, and that overgrow post tends to make it out as if sending them to your place isn't that big of a deal, unless your being watched. I have decided to send it to my place, as stupid as it may sound. I am taking my chances on something that is very dangerous, but I feel I will be alright in the end. That will be the only worry in my grow, and I will follow the rest of security 101 to the T. I will throw this information in my "vault" and no one will have a clue until it is all harvested and cured.

I thank all of you guys for sharing with me your advice and for helping me.


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