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US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque
    #3351907 - 11/12/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Marines say they are gaining control of the city street by street
US commanders say they are negotiating the surrender of as many as 300 people holed up in a mosque in the Iraqi rebel stronghold of Falluja.
It is unclear whether those inside are insurgents or civilians.

In the fifth day of the American-led assault on the city, troops have encountered fierce but sporadic resistance from the insurgents.

US commanders say they now control 80% of the area and they expect major combat operations to be over soon.

As they move through the city, US troops have seen few civilians and fear they may be being held as human shields by the insurgents, the BBC's Jennifer Glasse, with US marine commanders on the outskirts of the city, says.




US commanders have said their strategy is to trap insurgents against the River Euphrates in the southern part of the Iraqi city.

The troops say they have cornered fighters loyal to Islamic militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the south of Falluja.

But in a recording posted on an Islamist website, Zarqawi urged rebels to resist US forces, and assured insurgents that victory is only hours away.

US forces estimate they have killed about 600 insurgents since the assault began on Monday. They say 22 Americans and five Iraqis have been killed and almost 180 US soldiers wounded.

In other developments in Iraq:


A US Blackhawk helicopter is shot down north of Baghdad, wounding three crew members

Insurgents shoot dead an American soldier after attacking a US patrol in southern Baghdad; clashes continue in other parts of the capital

The US launches air strikes against targets in Mosul after fierce battles with insurgents

In Falluja, US forces say they have found alive the Syrian driver who was kidnapped with two French journalists in Iraq almost three months ago. There is no information on the Frenchmen.


US marines say they have already detained 150 insurgents, including over 50 non-Iraqis.

These fighters are from Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

Weapons have also been found and one Iraqi general called Falluja the biggest weapons depot in Iraq.

Techniques, tactics and the history of fighting in cities
Marines hunt out snipers

US officials nearly doubled their tally of wounded on Friday, and bed capacity is reportedly being expanded at the main US military hospital in Europe - at Landstuhl in Germany - to cope with an influx of injured marines.

Some 10,000 US forces and 2,000 Iraqi troops are involved in the battle for Falluja.


The Iraqi Red Crescent said the humanitarian situation in Falluja was a "disaster".

"Anyone who gets injured is likely to die because there's no medicine and they can't get to doctors," said Abdul-Hameed Salim, a volunteer.

Residents trapped in the battered city said they could smell the stench of decomposing bodies.

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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3352122 - 11/12/04 04:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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US marines say they have already detained 150 insurgents, including over 50 non-Iraqis.




I wonder what the new prison pictures will look like.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3352568 - 11/12/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm wonder whats gonna happen when they go into to 50 other insurgent stronghold cities.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3352594 - 11/12/04 06:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Crazy..........


An old best friend of mine is in Fallujah.......Marines, infantry....., hope he makes it back to tell about it


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: DazedSol]
    #3353474 - 11/12/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm willing to bet that nearly everyone inside that temple had taken up arms against an enemy that they thought they could defeat.

They also probably thought the battle would last for at least several weeks or months. They now know the fierocity in which the U.S. military can attack.
Which is unrelentless especially AFTER NEGOTIATIONS HAVE PASSED.

Now that they are in hell without electricity, water, rations and weapons that are worth a shit, they want to surrender. And why? So they can retake up arms in Mosul or Baghdad? What exactly do they have to negotiate with? Negotiations can only occur when both sides have something the other side wants. They want to escape with thier lives and the U.S. military wants to complete thier objectives of cleaning Falluja of militants and thier weapons.


About the zarqawi recording:
"But in a recording posted on an Islamist website, Zarqawi urged rebels to resist US forces, and assured insurgents that victory is only hours away. "

-this is a psychological tactic and it serves one purpose: to help differentiate between civilians and militants by motivating the intended targets to take-up arms and later be neutralized.

With a recording of just a few spoken sentences, we can make anyone say anything with the use of advanced audio editing. The videos of the beheadings supplied us with more than enough samples to successfully implement this tactic...and it works! Somewhere Zarqawi is saying "i never said that!" and there isn't anything he can do about it.

About the roadside bombings that killed 17 Iraqi's in Mosul:
The bombs went off shortly AFTER a U.S. convoy passed. They were clearly the intended target. The attack was thwarted by the use of spectrum-wide radio signal jamming. By effectively chaffing the detonation frequency of the roadside bombs, the convoy was able to pass. Then after safe passage, the signal that the monitoring system identified was rebroadcast ensuring the detonation of the bombs and allowing the safe passage of future convoys.

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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: ricyjo]
    #3354108 - 11/13/04 01:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Dead men don't vote.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3354178 - 11/13/04 01:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Dead men don't vote.




Well, they're not supposed to anyway.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3354382 - 11/13/04 03:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hehe didn't Michael Moore in Fahrenheit expose Ashcroft where he had dead people supposedly vote for him in his run for the senate?


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3354520 - 11/13/04 04:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

US troops have seen few civilians and fear they may be being held as human shields by the insurgents

Quite right. It is the american right to slaughter civilians how they see fit, not these pesky "people who don't want to be occupied by the US"..sorry...insurgents.


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    #3354619 - 11/13/04 06:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: ricyjo]
    #3354628 - 11/13/04 06:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

ohhhh.






nevermind.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3355885 - 11/13/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What a waste of time.. if you want people to leave a mosque you set it on fire... durrr


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: Spongerock]
    #3356362 - 11/13/04 05:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What a waste of time.. if you want people to leave a mosque you set it on fire... durrr




Agreed.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: Spongerock]
    #3356508 - 11/13/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Banned.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3356661 - 11/13/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Wise decision BH.  :thumbup:


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3356773 - 11/13/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i sincerely doubt that this attack will do anything significant. They were right - you can't tell much of a difference between insurgents and civilians. Furthermore, any deaths only push the civilians towards the insurgents.

How will Americans *hold* the area for any extended period of time? No one likes them, soldiers get their throats slit easily if unalert, and tanks are useless in urban areas.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: vampirism]
    #3356842 - 11/13/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hehe, a friend of mind who sort of has a Larry Flynt accent going (he was beaten nearly to death a few years back) started laughing untrollably when he saw on the news that "insurgents in Fullaja will attempt to mix with the civilians".. he laughed with demeanor, "the citizens of Fallujah are the insurgents!"


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3357176 - 11/13/04 09:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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What a waste of time.. if you want people to leave a mosque you set it on fire... durrr





you banned him for this?


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3357184 - 11/13/04 09:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I was wondering about that myself.


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Re: US 'negotiates' on Falluja mosque [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3357191 - 11/13/04 09:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That makes 3 of us. I've seen far more egregious comments made lately. That wasn't even directed toward anyone.


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