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US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases
    #3351263 - 11/12/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases
By Saeed Shah
12 November 2004


Individual American states are putting together a system to cap and trade greenhouse gas emissions, despite the Bush administration's opposition to the Kyoto protocol on global warming. Such a measure was backed by John Kerry during the recent election campaign.

The regional-level initiative, led by the Republican governor of New York, George Pataki, aims to be able to announce the details of a scheme by April next year. Nine north-eastern and mid-Atlantic states are taking part, with several other states and some Canadian provinces involved as "observers" in the process.

The scheme could even link up with the emissions controls and trading system being established by the EU next year, allowing emission allowances to be traded across the Atlantic. It is understood that informal talks have already taken place between environmental officials of the US states and their European Commission counterparts.

The development will prove a major embarrassment to the Bush government, which provoked an international outcry in 2001 by pulling out of the 1997 Kyoto climate control treaty. Many believe that the Bush administration had hoped to kill off Kyoto by opposing it. However the recent decision by Russia to sign up has meant that the treaty has been saved.

Some insiders even believe that unilateral action by US states will eventually force Bush to join Kyoto, by showing that it can work in the US.

Mr Bush has allowed companies to get away with a lowering of emissions standards at the same time as America remains responsible for 25 per cent of the world's greenhouse gases.

Peter Vaborowsky, a managing director at Evolution Markets, a brokerage that specialises in the environmental markets, said: "There's no question that this turns up pressure on the federal government - in the past when individual states have taken action on other pollutants, the federal government has then taken action."

The nine states in the project, which is known as the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), are Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont. In addition, Maryland, the District of Columbia and Pennsylvania are "observers" in the process, as are some eastern Canadian provinces.

Environmental officials from the states will meet in New York today to try to thrash out some of the remaining technical issues yet to be resolved. It is hoped that the cap and trade scheme can be operational by 2007 or 2008.

Like the European Union, the US states are taking a market-based approach to curbing emissions of carbon dioxide, the greenhouse gas blamed most for global warming.

Industries covered by the schemes will be given allocations of allowed emissions, in units of one ton of carbon dioxide produced. Polluters can either take a step to reduce their emissions or buy the allocations on a market from others which have done this.

It is thought that as the US is outside Kyoto, Europeans will be able to sell US industries their allocations but the US allocations are unlikely to be recognised as a Kyoto-currency and so cannot be bought by the Europeans.

In the US, sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions, which cause acid rain and smog, are federally regulated and traded. However, there is no federal regulation of carbon dioxide emissions.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=582065


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Xlea321]
    #3352525 - 11/12/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Someone should buy Saeed a dictionary.

States are free to impose stronger standards if they choose. Therefore they are not defying anyone in this case.


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3352730 - 11/12/04 06:33 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

no way...bush has mandated higher pollution.

it's the LAW!!!


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: afoaf]
    #3352787 - 11/12/04 06:44 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)



RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: silversoul7]
    #3352902 - 11/12/04 07:09 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

hey, aren't you stan's little friend?


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Xlea321]
    #3353266 - 11/12/04 09:05 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Why should Bush care? Where did the author get the idea that this was a defeat for Bush, or was contrary to Bush's wishes in any way?

Someone either really doesn't understand America as well as they think they do, or was deliberately trying to mislead people.


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3354522 - 11/13/04 04:58 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Why should Bush care?

Because it may force him to U-turn and go crawling back to Kyoto?


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Xlea321]
    #3354642 - 11/13/04 06:10 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Alex123 said:
Why should Bush care?

Because it may force him to U-turn and go crawling back to Kyoto?



How so?


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: silversoul7]
    #3354652 - 11/13/04 06:17 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

sshhhhh.... don't wake him. He's having (for him), a pleasant dream.


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Xlea321]
    #3354929 - 11/13/04 10:43 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

I don't see how this would force Bush to sign any treaties with any other countries.

I wonder if a U.S. state can sign an international treaty.


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3354968 - 11/13/04 11:12 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Did you read the article?


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Xlea321]
    #3355171 - 11/13/04 12:23 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Completely.

Twice now.


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Re: US states defy Bush over greenhouse gases [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3355204 - 11/13/04 12:34 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

I only drive about 2 miles a day on average and no one has told me to create more pollution. Also, I got both of my cars tested at the state emissions test station and both passed. Everyone has to get their cars tested once every two years (at least in my state) or you get your registration suspended (for the car that didn't get tested).

For the paranoid people: no, stop thinking that. You can get extensions and also if your registration is suspended you can apply to get your car tested again (including getting your car temporarily re-registered so you can drive it again (called an extension)). No one comes and takes your car away unless you abandoned it somewhere (not on your property).


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