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Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged...
    #3350086 - 11/12/04 05:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

U.S. troops force men fleeing Fallujah battle to return to city
By Jim Krane, Associated Press, 11/12/2004 03:30


NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) Hundreds of men trying to flee the assault on Fallujah have been turned back by U.S. troops following orders to allow only women, children and the elderly to leave.

The military says it has received reports warning that insurgents will drop their weapons and mingle with refugees to avoid being killed or captured by advancing American troops.

As it believes many of Fallujah's men are guerrilla fighters, it has instructed U.S. troops to turn back all males aged 15 to 55.

''We assume they'll go home and just wait out the storm or find a place that's safe,'' one 1st Cavalry Division officer, who declined to be named, said Thursday.

Army Col. Michael Formica, who leads forces isolating Fallujah, admits the rule sounds ''callous.'' But he insists it's is key to the mission's success.

''Tell them 'Stay in your houses, stay away from windows and stay off the roof and you'll live through Fallujah,''' Formica, of the 1st Cavalry Division's 2nd Brigade, told his battalion commanders in a radio conference call Wednesday night.

Many of Fallujah's 200,000 to 300,000 residents fled the city before the assault, at which time 1,200 to 3,000 fighters were believed in militant stronghold.

Later Prime Minister Ayad Allawi imposed a 24-hour curfew on Fallujah and ordered roads in the area closed, providing the legal background for the U.S. blockade.

Troops have cut off all roads and bridges leading out of the city. Relatively few residents have sought to get through, but officers here say they fear a larger exodus.

On Wednesday, a crowd of 225 people surged south out of Fallujah toward the blocking positions of the Marines' 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion. The Marines let 25 women and children pass but separated the 200 military-age men and forced them to walk back into Fallujah.

''There is nothing that distinguishes an insurgent from a civilian,'' the 1st Cavalry officer said. ''If they're not carrying a weapon, you can't tell who's who.''

Also Wednesday, troops halted two ambulances leaving Fallujah and found 57 refugees packed inside. Most were women and children who were allowed to leave. Smaller bands of refugees have also turned up at U.S. roadblocks, some allowed to pass and others turned back.

Single refugees have made their way out of the city by swimming across the broad Euphrates River or sneaking out across desert paths, military officials said.

On Wednesday and Thursday, American troops sunk boats being used to ferry people and in some cases, rebel arms across the river.

The ongoing U.S. advance is bottling up Fallujah's insurgents and others fleeing the fighting in the southern section of the city, where U.S. forces were moving Thursday night.

Most of the remaining attacks by insurgents inside Fallujah have been on Marines blocking the roads and bridges leaving the city, reports show. Marines have returned fire killing numerous insurgents trying to escape, officers here said.

The military estimates 600 insurgents have already been killed, about half the total of guerrillas in the city.

Fallujah has been under relentless aerial and artillery bombardment and without electricity since Monday. Reports have said residents are running low on food. An officer here said it was likely that those who stay in their homes would live through the assault, but agreed the city was a risky and frightening place to live.

U.S. military says it does all it can to prevent bombing buildings with civilians inside them.

Once the battle ends, military officials say all surviving military-age men can expect to be tested for explosive residue, catalogued, checked against insurgent databases and interrogated about ties with the guerrillas. U.S. and Iraqi troops are in the midst of searching homes, and plan to check every house in the city for weapons.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: ricyjo]
    #3350221 - 11/12/04 06:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So much for collateral damage when they're forcing innocent Iraqis to stay in an area that is being bombed into oblivion.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3350413 - 11/12/04 08:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

At least they aren't kidnapping women and children. Men have always been expected to fight the wars and have always been expendeble. Men can't bear kids, women can. The women can quickly replenish the population after the men get killed off in wars. Well, at least that's my philosophy.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: downforpot]
    #3350441 - 11/12/04 08:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

First, not one woman has been executed by insurgents - nor have any children even been kidnapped as that alone is deplorable to the point it transcends cultural and political ideology. Second, the article is referring to all males between 15-55, not insurgents. Big difference.

You're reading the Qur'an right now, right... a major thing about Islam is that it establishes dignity to people. At least try to understand remotely that some people on this planet won't tolerate being walked over by people who don't even speak their language and show no respect for their culture.

"Turn the other cheek" was an experiment on God's part to see if pacifism works. It didn't, instead scores of early Gnostic Christians were executed, and Christian armies had no convention of war so they ended up commiting the most heinous crimes in their front lines. "Fight them and drive them out from where they drove you out, but do not transgress limits" is God's realist take on the subject.

Eh?  :laugh:


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3350546 - 11/12/04 10:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Its just like a Roach Motel. Roaches check in but they don't check out. Great extermination system. All Islamic terrorists must die before they get ahold of nuclear weapons.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3350572 - 11/12/04 10:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

By all Islamic terrorists do you mean all Muslims?


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3350623 - 11/12/04 10:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fanatic Muslims. We must liberate the normal people from the brain damaging effects of the false ideology of Islam. Islam is lies on top of lies. The first lie is the name of the religion Islam. It is a lie that it is a submission to God, assuming God exists which has never been proven by scientists. Islam is a system of lies designed to give political power to extremely stupid corrupt and violent sociopathic people.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3350628 - 11/12/04 10:37 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The Qur'an and Islam are irrelevant right now. These people make the Qur'an say whatever they want it to say, just like American Christian religious fanatics.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3350643 - 11/12/04 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The Qur'an is the foundation of Islam though. Without the recitation there is no Islam.

I will agree with you though that people easily twist ayats in the Qur'an, but the Qur'an itself says that the Qur'an co-exists with the heart at all times, and that every heart is in tune with the Qur'an regardless how the ego comprehends it. The problem with extremism and religious perversion is that people read the Qur'an with their minds, not their hearts.

The Qur'an cannot be compared to the Bible though.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: ricyjo]
    #3350701 - 11/12/04 11:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

one of the many mistakes that bush has made, was taking control of iraq in a few days. we did not kill enough males in the beginning of the war. now we are trying not to make that mistake again.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3350754 - 11/12/04 11:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It can be compaired to the old testament.

The New Testament on the other hand is a clearly superior religious text.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3350778 - 11/12/04 11:26 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It cannot be compared to either. The Qur'an is linguistically superior.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3351104 - 11/12/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

my bible can beat up your bible.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: Tao]
    #3351116 - 11/12/04 12:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hahaha!

why did they name it this:  ?!

Tank crews who have swept south over the last 24 hours said they had driven insurgents to the southern part of Fallujah towards a guerilla stronghold the Americans call "Queens".

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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3351124 - 11/12/04 12:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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zahudulallah said:
It cannot be compared to either. The Qur'an is linguistically superior.





where can I get a copy?

i wanna see all the hubub is about..


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: ricyjo]
    #3351141 - 11/12/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Unless you are able to read Arabic, you can't recite the Qur'an.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: Tao]
    #3351160 - 11/12/04 01:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
my bible can beat up your bible.




Simply, the Bible and Quran cannot be categorized as the same. For Christians the Word of God is made flesh as Jesus. The Gospels are more of a documentation of the life of Christ. The Quran is the Word of God made Tongue. The word Quran is simply Arabic for "Recitation".


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3351178 - 11/12/04 01:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You are a Fanatic christian/westerner/US patriot IMO. You think JUST LIKE bin laden and his hoards of terrorists, but on the opposite side.
We must get rid of you according to your own logic.


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: downforpot]
    #3351203 - 11/12/04 01:16 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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At least they aren't kidnapping women and children. Men have always been expected to fight the wars and have always been expendeble. Men can't bear kids, women can. The women can quickly replenish the population after the men get killed off in wars. Well, at least that's my philosophy.




Look, i perfectly understand why the coalition army sent all men back. But your coldness kinda disturbs me.
I'd like to see your philosophy in action if it was your town that's being bombed and you, some innocent guy, aren't authorized to flee. Are you 'expendable'?


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Re: Male Insurgents: Get back to where you once belonged... [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3351209 - 11/12/04 01:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Islam is a system of lies designed to give political power to extremely stupid corrupt and violent sociopathic people.


...You could easily Replace 'Islam' with any other major religion and the statement would still be as accurate.


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