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Worth going bulk?
    #3349115 - 11/11/04 11:46 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

Hey everyone. I got 6 quarts of popcorn ready to be inoculated and I was wondering whether it was worth it in your opinion to case them or to use them as spawn and fill a 33 gallon rubbermaid with about 2/3 the way up with horse manure/straw/vermiculite. I figure if I do that might as well go for the gusto and do 2 terrariums, each 33 gal, 2/3s full ... using 3 quarts of spawn per rubbermaid. Obviously I'm going to get more from using the manure mix, but my question is, relatively speaking, how will potency and yield be affect? I'm planning on doing half the jars golden teach and the other half pink buffalo. And when I ask how the yield will be affected, I'm not looking for a number. I've never gone bulk and I'm wondering if the difference between 6 cased quarts of popcorn and about 50 gallons of manure would be. I'd estimate the quarts would be around 1-3 ounces when all is over with but I'm totally unsure of the bulk grow. I'd guesstimate in the area of a 3-4 ounces per flush for 3 or 4 flushes, right? Just looking to see if it's going to be worth my while to stink up the house cooking that horsecrap, ugh ... haha.

NOTE: I know how the policy is with yield questions so I just wanted to clarify that I'm not looking for an exact prediction, just a ROUGH ballpark figure for comparison.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3349139 - 11/11/04 11:49 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

Oh yah, don't forget about potency :smile: I want to not have to grow for a while after this grow, which is why I want to get the most out of this grow in the regard of having the most potent cubes I can get without compromising yield, seeing as I'm going to need these to last me for at least several months, I think I'll end up putting a lot of it into capsules or vacuum sealing the rest and putting it in the fridge ...


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3349174 - 11/11/04 11:54 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

Your yields spawning 6 quarts to bulk substrate are going to yield a hell of alot more than just casing those 6 quarts.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3349247 - 11/12/04 12:06 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

Yeah thats what I'm thinking. But am I looking at a few ounces, or a few lbs? Thats why I say I want a ballpark. I want to know what UNITS to measure my yield in, haha, not really numbers persay.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3349391 - 11/12/04 12:33 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

you can get a bulk to produce anywhere from 6-12 ounces dry til it is depleted.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: derx]
    #3349447 - 11/12/04 12:43 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

My buddy, and some others that post on this forum say that a properly cased pint size rye jar will produce an average of about 20grams dry. So if you do about 48 rye jars, you'll have about two pounds. My friend doesn't see the point to "going bulk", he thinks its putting all of your eggs into one basket - and everyone knows baskets are prone to failure cause they are cheap and made in Mexico.

P.S. The 20grams is just an estimate, to use another cheesy line (don't count your chickens before they hatch).


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: AnonymousNewbie]
    #3349580 - 11/12/04 01:33 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

If you can..go with the poo because popcorn doesn't produce nearly as good fruits. Popcorn is more better suited for spawn than as a stand alone substrate. This info was passed onto me from Hyphae and he was absolutely right...100%


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: derx]
    #3351462 - 11/12/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

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you can get a bulk to produce anywhere from 6-12 ounces dry til it is depleted.




That sounds like what I'm looking for. A half lb should last me for quite a while. Just out of curiosity, how thick was the substrate? I'm planning on having about a rubbermaid filled like 18-24" with poo.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3351512 - 11/12/04 02:42 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

thats is way too thick. you need about 4-6 inches of substrate. do multiple tubs with about 5" and you will double your yield.
Also make sure you give your mushies room to fruit.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: buckeye]
    #3351524 - 11/12/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Alright, I'll bring it down a bit and do multiple tubs. I think I might do 8" of substrate though, I don't want a ton of tubs.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3351555 - 11/12/04 02:56 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

you can use the Oven Bag Tek w/ the manure and straw so you don't stink up the house. i would go bulk if you had the room. for me i only have my closet floor so im casing.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3351562 - 11/12/04 02:58 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

don't do 8" substrate.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3351585 - 11/12/04 03:04 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

that's still a lot. if you have abou 24 inches of substrate, you could easily do 4 tubs. Say you get about 5-10 ounces a tub, that will set you nicely for a bit.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3351601 - 11/12/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Okay, you obviously know more than I do so I'll take your word for it that 8" might not be a wise choice, but could you explain why? I looked in the TEKs and didn't find anything saying how thick a bulk substrate should be. What are the advantages and disadvantages to having a thick or a thin layer? What is the ideal thickness?


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3351650 - 11/12/04 03:14 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

thicker substrate doesn't mean more shrooms, it means thicker substrate. it can cause contam problems. and also you want surface area for pinning instead of thickness.


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Re: Worth going bulk? [Re: jonas]
    #3351653 - 11/12/04 03:14 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

i would say 6 inches of substrate for bulk. I've only done bulk twice, one contammed. At a certain point, the yield gain per thickness ratio isn't worth the extra wasted spawn when you could easily just spawn another tub with that same thickness and yield much more.

then again, i dont think its worth going bulk. I can produce as much mushrooms as I want with rye grains alone. But you shouldspawn the popcorn, because TEH POPCORN IS TEH SUCK for casing and should be used as a spawn substrate only.


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