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PmP Geolite vs Perlite
    #3346210 - 11/11/04 12:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What will work better in the PmP Geolite or Perlite?

There will be an aquarium heater in the water @ the bottom to keep temp @ constant 72F.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3346223 - 11/11/04 12:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

geolite but perlite is about 5 dollars cheaper. perlite works but you need to change it out or at least clean it every few grows, and geolite last forever and is more easily cleaned and tend not to clog the holes in the bubble wand like the perlite does.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: KyKid]
    #3346277 - 11/11/04 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks m8 then Ill stick to my geolite plan. i also noticed Perlite is cheaper, the mean raison I asked...


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3346321 - 11/11/04 01:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've have perlite in mt PMP. Its 8 months old and does have a few spores spread around on it. When water is needed I add a little h2o2.
Before and after grows spray with 91% isopropyl alcohol.Been working so for.

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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: KaptKid]
    #3346347 - 11/11/04 01:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Geolite is definately much cleaner, it also depends on whether youre using casings or cakes. You can place cakes right on geolite, maybe with a little verm...not so much with perlite. I must say perlite is a superior product for humidity on its own, but with pmp equipment, its more trouble then it is worth.

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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: call_me_kido]
    #3346501 - 11/11/04 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i to use perlite but its becuase i have switched to casing and it seems to work better for my need and does raise the rh to optimal for casing with out running the air pump but i do have to fan, now i actually have a air pump running again and its been doing fine in perlite but i have large airstones instead of bubble wands so there no hole to clog up.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: KaptKid]
    #3346775 - 11/11/04 03:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey kids! :lol:

I will be using cakes, this is my first grow. But in my first grow I will also attempt some casings.
Like KK I have an airpump with two 7-inch airstones. Hope that will be enough to keep a good RH.

I dont really know what is best now both opinions sound good, I guess I stick to my plan, which is geolite. In the future I might try perlite as well. But only after my 100 liter bag of geolite is finished.. :laugh:


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3346928 - 11/11/04 04:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if you got the money geolite is better, just follow the pmp tek to the t and youll have a great fruiting chamber for both cakes and casings, the humidity will be a little high for the casings but i dont see that hurting them to much.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: KyKid]
    #3346979 - 11/11/04 04:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

is the air that is being pumped into the pmp by the bubblers considered sterile because it is bubbleing through h202? im wondering cause i have a huge contam problem because my grow op is in the basement, and cannot be put anywere else. the mold in the basement fucks over 90% of my caseings. i need a way to get sterile air in my box without ever opening my chamber!

and the bubbler idea is awesome cause it causes positive pressure inside the pmp, not allowing air to just drift in on its own. i need this sort of set up.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: KyKid]
    #3347004 - 11/11/04 04:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anyone ever tried holes in the casingcontainers? or am i far out now?
or make some xtra holes in the pmp?


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347021 - 11/11/04 04:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you can by in-line filters at the pet store, also you can make one your self with a 12 oz coke bottle just stuff it full of pollyfil and then run a hose from the pump in one end and then another one out the other end and into the pmp and also use h202 in the water to help also.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347047 - 11/11/04 04:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dont know about sterile air, but, i believe it was Hyphae, put a small sized box with polyfill in between the hoses so the air gets filtered.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: KyKid]
    #3347056 - 11/11/04 04:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

and the back-pressure caused by the filter wont burn out the motor?


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347071 - 11/11/04 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

nope the pollyfil allows for easy air passage just dont use tyvek in it.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347122 - 11/11/04 04:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I recommend anything other than perlite unless it's the only thing you can get. Geolite, rocks, broken pottery...

Yes, I use perlite, but I am dissatisfied with it, and am going to switch to geolite ASAP.

1) It's messy
2) It compacts, hindering air pump air flow
3) It's messy


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is the air that is being pumped into the pmp by the bubblers considered sterile because it is bubbleing through h202? im wondering cause i have a huge contam problem because my grow op is in the basement, and cannot be put anywere else. the mold in the basement fucks over 90% of my caseings. i need a way to get sterile air in my box without ever opening my chamber!

and the bubbler idea is awesome cause it causes positive pressure inside the pmp, not allowing air to just drift in on its own. i need this sort of set up.


No, it isn't considered sterile.

I packaged my air pump up into a vacuum cleaner bag. I was going to use a HEPA bag, but I couldn't justify the cost at the time. I figured that if I had contam problems, I could do it, but I haven't had any contam problems so far, and I wouldn't consider our house clean as far as contams go.



Just stuck it in there, routed the tubes and power cord through the hole.. Used two strips of 1/2" thick weather stripping around the outgoing lines, pressed down and taped tight(but not so tight to pinch the air lines...), plus polyfill infront of that to seal it all up tight.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347167 - 11/11/04 04:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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and the back-pressure caused by the filter wont burn out the motor?




Polyfill is often used in aquaria (to filter water actually) but doesnt seem to burn out pump engines.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3347191 - 11/11/04 04:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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and the back-pressure caused by the filter wont burn out the motor?




Polyfill is often used in aquaria (to filter water actually) but doesnt seem to burn out pump engines.


Yeah, as long as you don't pack it ultra tight, it won't unless your pump is ultra-cheap.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3347195 - 11/11/04 04:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i cant get any geolite, so i figure i will clean some lava rock the best i can, to get dirt and debris off, then pressure cook it, im just gonna fill my pressure cooker with rocks, add 4 inches of water, and pressure cook the hell out of it. you see no probs with that. i cant think of a better way to get clean lava rock.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347222 - 11/11/04 04:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

LOL, clean it and then just bake it in the oven man....

Go all out and nuke it at 350?F for a couple of hours, it will be sterile. Let it cool off for another few hours while still in the oven.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: discman1]
    #3347241 - 11/11/04 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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and the back-pressure caused by the filter wont burn out the motor?




Polyfill is often used in aquaria (to filter water actually) but doesnt seem to burn out pump engines.


Yeah, as long as you don't pack it ultra tight, it won't unless your pump is ultra-cheap.




LOl my pump IS ultra cheap (6$ and 240 liters an hour max). It was an bargain, normal price wasnt that high either I believe about 20$.
But untill now I wasnt planning on filtering my air. And arent contams more likely to affect incubated jars more then colonized cakes/casings in the pmp/fruiting chamber?


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3347282 - 11/11/04 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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and the back-pressure caused by the filter wont burn out the motor?




Polyfill is often used in aquaria (to filter water actually) but doesnt seem to burn out pump engines.


Yeah, as long as you don't pack it ultra tight, it won't unless your pump is ultra-cheap.




LOl my pump IS ultra cheap (6$ and 240 liters an hour max). It was an bargain, normal price wasnt that high either I believe about 20$.
But untill now I wasnt planning on filtering my air. And arent contams more likely to affect incubated jars more then colonized cakes/casings in the pmp/fruiting chamber?


Yes, but you can never be too clean. Why make your mycelium waste energy fighting off contams if you can avoid it?

I guess it just depends on the pump. But a polyfill air filter shouldn't add much resistance unless it is improperly packed. I do know that significant resistance can cause them to die rapidly in some cases, though.

I think that using a HEPA vacuum cleaner bag is probably the coolest idea if you want to be hardcore. There's no way that polyfill could even come close to that kind of filtration, but I'm sure it's more than adequate for most.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3347309 - 11/11/04 04:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm setting up my terrarium tomorrow. A 30gal tub with perlite and 1 8" air stone with pump. I'll also be using a home made polyfil filter on it. I have 6 cakes getting ready. 1 is ready to be dunked tonight and rolled tomorrow. The rest will be ready soon. I'm excited. First grow for me.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Tripster]
    #3347353 - 11/11/04 05:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

my airpump has a filter on the intake, as almost all do...it looks like a block of styrofoam on mine.. but its not styrofoam.. thats gotta filter out a good portion of things


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: KyKid]
    #3347421 - 11/11/04 05:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

were do you guys buy geo lite from, i know its all over the internet, but i want to find some local somehow.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347435 - 11/11/04 05:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Any local indoor gardening shop should have it.

Open up the phone book and start calling around.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: discman1]
    #3347892 - 11/11/04 06:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Couldn't you just put the air pump in the middle of a big box of polyfill? (Or is heat a problem?)

I used to have an air pump called a "Silent Giant". It was a heavy monster. When if finally died I did a post mortem. Inside was a tiny little stinker of a pump packed in lots of fine gravel.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3347900 - 11/11/04 06:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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were do you guys buy geo lite from, i know its all over the internet, but i want to find some local somehow.




Here all garden centers have it and ofcourse all of them growshops! :laugh:


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: ticktock]
    #3347905 - 11/11/04 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hm i dont wanna do a pre-mortem hehe so i will check some polyfill filter thingy if i get contams in my PmP.


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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: ticktock]
    #3348125 - 11/11/04 08:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Couldn't you just put the air pump in the middle of a big box of polyfill? (Or is heat a problem?)

I used to have an air pump called a "Silent Giant". It was a heavy monster. When if finally died I did a post mortem. Inside was a tiny little stinker of a pump packed in lots of fine gravel.


Yes, that is another method.


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    #3348149 - 11/11/04 08:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Couldn't you just put the air pump in the middle of a big box of polyfill? (Or is heat a problem?)

I used to have an air pump called a "Silent Giant". It was a heavy monster. When if finally died I did a post mortem. Inside was a tiny little stinker of a pump packed in lots of fine gravel.


Yes, that is another method.




I might try that! I skip glue-ing and shit. And it might absorn soem noise.. But thats no real reason.

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Re: PmP Geolite vs Perlite [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #14347141 - 04/25/11 03:29 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

For the air pump(s), couldn't you take say a 5-12 quart container, drill 2 holes, one for the electrical cords and one for the tubs, seal put the pumps into the container run the cords out the larger hole, the tubes out the other, then seal both holes with Stuffit, or some other sealing material, silicone, epoxy, etc.  Then, cover the entire top of the container with a single layer of Tyvek.  Given the very large surface area of the tyvek, would it be large enough to allow enough air flow for the pumps in the container, say 2 or 3 pumps?  You could seal the tyvek onto the top of the container by wrapping the tyvek over the edges and gluing the edges of the tyvek to the upper edges of the container with epoxy/silicone.  Would this work?


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