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Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock
    #3345565 - 11/11/04 07:07 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

I seen this on the educational program.

It was old lotus seeds.

The gathered all the old seeds that were all nearly unviable.

Got a bowl filled with water and dumped all the seeds.

The seeds that sank to the bottom were unviable, the ones that floated to the top were viable.

This is handy trick for all kinds of plants.

Such as most stocks syrian rue seeds in most cases.

This method will work for anykind of seed.

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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3347802 - 11/11/04 06:35 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Any scientific background explanation of how this method works?

I heard it about cannabis seeds ,but i ignored it thinking it is a myth...

Actually i cannot imagine a possible reason this method would work....


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3348390 - 11/11/04 09:00 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

im bad on plant biology but in amniote eggs (animal eggs, brid/reptile sorts) the fertile ones have an air sac that the unfertile are often missing. possibly the same? although im not too sure why seeds woudl need air to sprout...but maybe jsut a kick?


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: kadakuda]
    #3349011 - 11/11/04 11:28 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Isnt it the good ones sink? i know when i dump a bag of WBS in all the birdseed floats and all the millit sinks.


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3349792 - 11/12/04 02:46 AM (12 years, 29 days ago)

I personally try to make all my seed viable. I soak the seed in H2O2 water untill I see the seed start to show signs of it poping out of the pod. H2O2 stops root rot and seed rot. Thats why most people have problems soaking seed to begin with. They don't use any thing to stop the seed from rotting before it gets a chance to break out.

Im not sure of the h2o2 to water ratio, so you'll havta do a internet search on that. But I do it every time I germinate seeds, and it works GREAT.
Before it, I would loose most of my seeds to the seed rotting.


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: Search59]
    #3350974 - 11/12/04 12:22 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

A little peroxide in the water helps with germination. Lotus seed is viable for years, centuries maybe. Some seed has to be fresh to germ. Some seed has to have wet dry cycles or warm cold cycles or combinations of each. This process is called stratification. Voacanga africana needs to be stratified to germ, for example. Some tobacco seeds need light to germinate so you put them on the surface and don't bury them. A few will not germ unless they are in the dark. Gibberellic acid (ga3) helps some plant seed germinate.


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3350988 - 11/12/04 12:26 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Quote:

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Isnt it the good ones sink?




i thought that was the norm too. from what i've personally observed, the floaters don't seem to germinate too well.

it can vary from plant to plant greatly though, depending on the density of the seed casing.


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3351090 - 11/12/04 12:50 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

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The seeds that sank to the bottom were unviable, the ones that floated to the top were viable.
This is handy trick for all kinds of plants.
This method will work for anykind of seed.



Not in my experience. Think about tiny seeds (they will all float), think about cannabis seeds (often, the goods sink quickly)...etc...


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3351305 - 11/12/04 01:45 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

I personally never really believed this as a hard and fast rule for all seeds.

Quite simply one is doing a density test, and certainly not all seeds are more dense than water or less dense than water, it depends on the individual seed.

Therefore one would have to do a test with different species of seeds and then try to germinate the floaters and sinkers and see which was what, IF there even is a difference.

One has to consider what's in a seed, the embryo, the shell, the endorsperm and other things, the amount of endosperm and density of it plays a big factor.

We also have to take into account two things when we talk about seed viability, longevity and viability. Seed longevity depends on the species and the conditions at harvest and during storage. Seeds should be stored only when they have attained the appropriate moisture content, usually less than 15%. Seed dried to about 7% moisture and under low relative humidity can be stored for a long time in a refrigerator. Very low relative humidity of about 5% allows seeds to be stored for a long time while retaining the highest level of viability. However a relative humidity of 50 to 65% maintains the viability of most seeds for about a year. To increase longevity, seeds may be stored cryogenically in liquid nitrogen at -313F for years.


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Re: Getting viable seeds from a barely viable stock [Re: neuro]
    #5286143 - 02/10/06 04:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

yeah i don't trust this at all because i have taken weed seeds and have had people say "thats not viable because its brown."
yet when i put it in a rapid rooter it germinated in less than 4 days and was about .50-.75 inches out of the rooter plug and then went on to grow outside to about 2.5 feet high and was almost ready for harvest and then some jack ass robbed my little plot in the woods.
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