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OfflineTao
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Australian Welfare
    #3342150 - 11/10/04 04:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I recently heard that Australia has a different form of welfare. To save money and prevent moochers, the conservative party passed a bill that had had lower than average welfare for the first year or two, then higher than average welfare afterwards. the idea is that the truely less fortnate will have no choice but to still be on it after two years and the ones who are just temporarily out of work (most of those who go on welfare) will a) take up less money and b) have a greater incentive to find a job as quickly as possible so that they can live reasonably comfortable again.

Now, given (i can't stress this enough for the libertarians, GIVEN) that society wants some sort of welfare (since in real worlds politics, compromises must be reached, you can't simply hope for everyone to come around to your side of thinking), what do people think of this solution? it sounds backwards at first--rewarding those who stay on welfare--but i heard in practice its showing success, and the more i think about it, the more it might be a good idea.


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Re: Australian Welfare [Re: Tao]
    #3342164 - 11/10/04 04:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds better than the current system. Personally, I think the first thing we need to do about welfare in America is get the federal government out of it and hand it over to the states.


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Re: Australian Welfare [Re: silversoul7]
    #3342306 - 11/10/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Sounds better than the current system. Personally, I think the first thing we need to do about welfare in America is get the federal government out of it and hand it over to the states.




On the money as usual. What's amazing is that an idea like this will probably never be developed over here. Our government seems allergic to common sense and reasonable solutions.


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Re: Australian Welfare [Re: Gijith]
    #3346510 - 11/11/04 02:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Any other thoughts?


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Re: Australian Welfare [Re: Tao]
    #3346597 - 11/11/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
Any other thoughts?



Seems like a very ephemeral 'solution.' After the two years are up it's just a more robust welfare system -- what exactly is the idea? People who would otherwise be mooching would be in a situation where it would 'pay' to do real work for two years and then go back to the dole, all the while the few who truly need welfare have two years where they have to make do with even less than they usually have. Can you elaborate upon the system further; unless I'm missing a part of this equation, something entirely possible, it seems like a pretty worthless and possibly deleterious plan.


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Re: Australian Welfare [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3347834 - 11/11/04 06:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the idea is that most of those who claim welfare are usually just temporarily unemployed people who quickly find work anyway, so you're cutting unnecessary spending for those people who probably don't need it as much and making living on welfare less attractive. i dont understand what you're saying by

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it would 'pay' to do real work for two years and then go back to the dole




but this--"the few who truly need welfare have two years where they have to make do with even less than they usually have."--is definately the downside to the proposal and why it is not a categorically better solution and probably why it was proposed by the conservative party. again, i just heard about this when a professor briefly explained it after a student referenced it in my tutorial. i should probably read more about it.


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Re: Australian Welfare [Re: silversoul7]
    #3347885 - 11/11/04 06:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Sounds better than the current system. Personally, I think the first thing we need to do about welfare in America is get the federal government out of it and hand it over to the states.




Wow, that is a truely interesting idea and i have never thought of it that way. I think that the states with the most leanient policies would quickly revert back to a more moderate policy but it would be a good experiment for the US and I think it would be beneficial in the long run.


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