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Invisiblezxsevinr
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substrate depth
    #3334470 - 11/08/04 07:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

alright i have read the teks and posts and i know not to have substrate less than 1 inch or more than 6 " depth , my ? is what is the benifit if there is any of a thicker casing or a thinner casing?


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Re: substrate depth [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3334490 - 11/08/04 07:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

First off, it depends on what type of substrate you are using. If you are using straw or straw/dung then you do want your casings to be upwards of 6". If you are using grain then I would say to stick to the lower end. The benefits are bigger and more fruits.

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Re: substrate depth [Re: azurescens]
    #3334498 - 11/08/04 08:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I've read that the limit to which you benefit from the depth of your substrate is about 2" for non-bulk grows.

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Re: substrate depth [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3334621 - 11/08/04 08:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

spliffmasta said:
I've read that the limit to which you benefit from the depth of your substrate is about 2" for non-bulk grows.




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Re: substrate depth [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3334687 - 11/08/04 08:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Here is straw/dung at 2in.



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Re: substrate depth [Re: hyphae]
    #3334709 - 11/08/04 08:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)


Oh. My. Goodness.

I need to try casing and then I need to try poo/straw.

Wow.

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Re: substrate depth [Re: HydroToker]
    #3334777 - 11/08/04 09:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Damn...Hyphae, those are perfect. You have made me feel comfortable when I next try substrate depths as those you mentioned above. Thanks!!! Do you feel that anything above that would be overkill or would the size and yield be that much of a difference?

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Re: substrate depth [Re: azurescens]
    #3334816 - 11/08/04 09:16 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

hey hyphae do you think that casings of brf cakes and also of popcorn would produce nearly as well?


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Re: substrate depth [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3334925 - 11/08/04 09:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Heres two 1/2pts. of BRF cased.



second flush



I've never seen good popcorn flushes myself but it sure works great as spawn! IMO :wink:


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Re: substrate depth [Re: hyphae]
    #3334957 - 11/08/04 09:42 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

sweet


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Re: substrate depth [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3335024 - 11/08/04 09:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hyphae you never cease to amaze me and you are set for life with shrroms just from that first grow great work :smile:

-mike

" i wanna be just like hyphae when i grow up";)


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Re: substrate depth [Re: phantasm]
    #3336132 - 11/09/04 06:25 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That first particular grow pic is not mine but a friends and mentor. He is a very talented mycologist who I respect tremendously!


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Re: substrate depth [Re: hyphae]
    #3336173 - 11/09/04 06:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What are those BTW, in the first pic?


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Re: substrate depth [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3338693 - 11/09/04 06:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Orrisa


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Re: substrate depth [Re: hyphae]
    #3338775 - 11/09/04 07:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

hyphae you said that you have never seen a good popcorn flush has anybody???


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Re: substrate depth [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3339991 - 11/10/04 02:38 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think he means that it will work and some people might call it good..but when you compare it to the standards set in the other pictures its probably not all it cracks up to be.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
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Re: substrate depth [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3340359 - 11/10/04 06:09 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly you are in my head eh? :tongue:


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Gas Exchange vs. FAE

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Re: substrate depth [Re: hyphae]
    #3340378 - 11/10/04 06:28 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

BAH!

From the many posts I have read I got the distinct impression that any type of grain (inc popcorn) is better than BRF.. This along with the fact that rye is another thing that does not exist here determined my use of popcorn on my current attempt.

I'm not gonna be happy if it turns out gash.  :mad2:


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Re: substrate depth [Re: Hambo]
    #3340388 - 11/10/04 06:36 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

On another note, I made my first casings last night.

Started out with my last 6 BRF cakes, two were equador, 4 were koh samui super strain, and apparently I underestimated the amount of substrate needed in each of my casing trays and rather than making the three casings I wanted I only got two casings.

After I got the equadors in the ziplocks to break them up into nice manageable pieces.  I noticed the one bag had a weird ass brown mush in the middle of the cake.  I just decided it was a contam and threw the cake out not wanting to take the risk of dying because of it.  So I had to break the other equador up and use a small container for a casing :frown:  But I still have high hopes.

Anyway, my big casing was 8x6x4.  (I bought new containers again)

So there is 1/4" of coco coir/verm on the bottom of the tray (60/40 ratio) a 2" think substrate layer that used all 4 cakes, and then a 1/3" casing layer on top of coir/verm again.

I also bought myself an expensive aquarium heater last night at Petco but it's obviously not working like I wanted it to with the heat bomb tek, so now I am moving back to the heating pad to incubate my casing and it seems to be working fine.  The bottom of the tub where I put my temperature sensor is reading 83 degrees F and the glass the casing is in is reading 83 as well.  :thumbup:

I'm impressed with my work as I headed into it with just a basic knowledge of casing and did my best to make sure each layer of the casing was perfectly laid out.  Hoping for the best :wink:

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Re: substrate depth [Re: Silven]
    #3342559 - 11/10/04 04:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

hambo how is your popcorn doing im curious mine seems to be borderline


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Re: substrate depth [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3342628 - 11/10/04 04:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I gotta say that brf and 50/50 is just fine. I got super results from it but on the other hand I couldnt in my wildest dreams compare it to hyphae or his mentor. Good Job on that BTW.

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Re: substrate depth [Re: oddiseus]
    #3342836 - 11/10/04 04:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Oops. ZX , just got pins and I just started a new thread, hopefully some helpful info will come there. I'll be posting some pics as it goes on though, everything seems straight atm. How do you mean, borderline?


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Re: substrate depth [Re: Hambo]
    #3343136 - 11/10/04 06:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

it took a long time to start colonizing and colonizes kinda slow and i have never had a contam at all until i used popcorn and ive lost almost half of the 1 qt jars i started with like 20 and now only have about 10


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Re: substrate depth [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3345041 - 11/11/04 01:24 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Use the aquarium heater to make a tub in tub, it will work much better then the heat bomb.


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Re: substrate depth [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3345898 - 11/11/04 09:10 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What about packing the substrate in casings? Is it permissible to pack your fully colonized substrate to fit more in a single casing (doesn't it all grow together anyway?), or do you still want the airy fluffyness that comes from just breaking the pieces into little chunks and loosely arranging?

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Re: substrate depth [Re: krazycure]
    #3345957 - 11/11/04 09:28 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

what's the point of packing the substrate again?  More substrate?  Why?

But to answer your question... you can if you want, but no reason to.

If you want to benefit from more, make a larger casing or thicker substrate.  Lack of benefits beyond what's equivalent of normal 2" would still be the same.  In addition, you'll have more negative effects from dense substrate which include less space for gas/water in the substrate and harder for mycelium to draw and transport nutes/water due to stunted growth from lack of gas/water in the substrate.  The distance the network has to cover to deliver nutes is not as important as how many cells have to be involved to transport them.

So, if you want to put more substrate, try getting a larger container by length or width, not depth. :wink:

Good luck

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Re: substrate depth [Re: Sam1912]
    #3346367 - 11/11/04 11:43 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The only thing you do want to pack is straw and packing it as tight as possible is extremely beneficial. It also speeds up colonization times too. FYI


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