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OfflineUnderTheRose
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It is not dying...
    #3332598 - 11/08/04 10:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

TOMORROW NEVER KNOWS has this famous line repeated 2xtimes.
Until recently i took this to be a guidance into egodeath (high dose tripping) in the
sense that one should stay "cool".
Now i have to think again:
I really think its meant sarcastic: One really experiences
death, one is really dying. When i say dying, true, it does not
mean physical death but physical death is not the real shocker:
That is psychic ego-death.
Anyone who?s gone under such a death /rebirth-process knows that conventional physical death is a joke compared to psychic death.
I really mean this. If you laugh out loud here, you simply do not know
what i?m talking about.

There is a GOOD reason few people take high doses and even less take them repeatedly. Its a kill of the lower self by the higher self. And <kill> really is not just a harsh word for <transition from lower to higher> but rather to be taken quite seriously; in fact more serious than anything.

Then again this talk will be only clear to those who?ve been there and even then there is the tendency to suppress the experience because of its extreme harshness.


Like the BillySquier-Track:
L is for losing the love that you crave
O is for overcoming what you knew to be true
V is for vengance when you?re left out in the raid &
E is for every morning when you break down on trip
So you see my friend, love is -just- a four letter word.
I say - STOP - don?t sin!


Edited by UnderTheRose (11/08/04 11:18 AM)


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3332641 - 11/08/04 11:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"What the superior man seeks is in himself; what the small man seeks is in others. "
-Confucius

cool post  :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3333101 - 11/08/04 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

UnderTheRose said:

Anyone who?s gone under such a death /rebirth-process knows that conventional physical death is a joke compared to psychic death.





i dont think you can say that until you've actually experienced physical death


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"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: Help on the Way]
    #3333402 - 11/08/04 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well, let me compared it like that:
physical death = death of your body
psychic death = death of you

now, what?s worse?
i guess WE agree here.


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3333414 - 11/08/04 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How does one commit psychic suicide? I'd like to give it a shot, but I dont believe its possible.


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3333812 - 11/08/04 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A. Physical death = end of everything that you describe of as you.

B. Psychic death = some concepts being rearranged.

now, what?s worse?
Clearly A is worse. After A, you can no longer post on the Shroomery. After B, you can still post on the shroomery, only a little less coherently; and write reams of stuff on aliens and mind control and photon belts. Well, maybe A is better...  :crazy:


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: Swami]
    #3336222 - 11/09/04 09:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
A. Physical death = end of everything that you describe of as you.

B. Psychic death = some concepts being rearranged.

now, what?s worse?
Clearly A is worse. After A, you can no longer post on the Shroomery. After B, you can still post on the shroomery, only a little less coherently; and write reams of stuff on aliens and mind control and photon belts. Well, maybe A is better...  :crazy:




I don?t agree at all with your definition of "psychic death".
It?s emphatically not just some concepts being rearranged. That is merely the pre-threshold-level of a full blown ego-death-episode.
You really *are dying*, your sense of being a autonomous control agent is totally taken apart - shown as illusionary. In truth you are only a minor - puppet - king of the high king, itself totally incable of even the simplest action. Fully realizing this means utter destruction and being helplessly depended to be resurrected by the true king.

In contrast physical death is , if one is precise, just an infinitely short moment , a lightning switch from a living body to a dead one.
Now there are all the varieties of the world regarding what led to ones death - of course possibly including enourmous amounts of suffering. But that kind of suffering is not directly connected with dying, the actual dying naturally occurs in the blink of an eye.
So, -in my book- physical death is primarily bodily death: the body quits working. What exactly happens *AFTER* that is -to all of us- unknown. Unkown is that which is occurs _after_ physical death. Physical death itself is definitely not a new subject of scientific research and there is only limited mystery here.

So, i say it again, to make my point:
The real, important, true *experience* of dying is *psychic death* NOT physical death. In relgious scriptures <death> and <dying> should be read as refering first and foremost to a ego-death-episode rather than mundane pyhsical death.

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  How does one commit psychic suicide? 




A huge dose of psilocybin mushrooms is most efficient.
Though - as a side note - it should be stated that it?s of course not really you who does the killing but the high king.
So i guess you should rather call it a homicide - that?s more fitting (as you will be shown).




Edited by UnderTheRose (11/09/04 09:24 AM)


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3337396 - 11/09/04 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Psychic" = ego, in your definition?

Mushrooms regress the mind back to infancy. I dont understand your explanation, perhaps you could clarify?


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: psyka]
    #3337440 - 11/09/04 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

[Yes, i use <psychic death> and <ego death> synonymously]

No, mushrooms do not only "regress" the mind. That?s a much too weak definition of what a full-blown episode can be like.


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3337446 - 11/09/04 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Does an infant have an ego?


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: psyka]
    #3337474 - 11/09/04 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You know what's amazing about babies? I was thinking about this when people were discussing the authenticity of babies. They are 100% vulnerable and helpless to survive on their own yet they do. The ones that survive, how do they survive?

If you all want to preach about taking on the virtues of babydom then you have to also recognise, the virtues of what would make a good parent. if we are going to move into becoming beings that are 100% true to themselves and the world and 100% vulnerable then we also have to start acting like the parent that accepts this expression of self truth in all as it is, unique to each individual, and be nurturing, caring and supportive of others wants and needs.

Just wanted to throw out some food for thought and consideration.

Because, if we also don't act like such a good parent, the virtue of the bay within cannot and will not survive. How many of us can feel safe being 100% vulnerable in to days world? How many of us feel 100% comfortable completely expressing our feelings in a manor that suits us and feel we will be accepted by society and our peers?

We can't adopt such virtues until we also know how to accept, nurture care for and support them. Until we can, they will not survive.


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3337496 - 11/09/04 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not preaching about the virtues of a baby. I'm just trying to express how I think mushrooms regress the mind back to infancy.

We all rely on each other for survival whether we acknowledge that or not. Understanding and acceptance harbors peace.


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: psyka]
    #3337554 - 11/09/04 04:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't mean preaching in a negative light. I could've and should've used the word inspiring. That one is better. The preaching came from the other thread, not your suggestion here psyka. Even if ne were to preach it, the message is good, I just thought it should be followed with realising why we can't always feel safe to be vulnerable enough to truly express how we feel or our truths.

We would love to live with that sort of freedom. The only thing keeping ourselves from it is our own fears of punsihment from the psuedo lousy co-parents out there who wish to deny, not support, not nurture, not care for, repress, reject and not accept such freedoms.

As the co-parents of the world, the more we do these things, the more we can also bring in the virtuous freedoms babes.

Okay, now I am getting preachy LOL. My goal is to inspire at least consideration in awareness of this dynamic.


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Re: It is not dying... [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3337974 - 11/09/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes.
It has - albait very poorly developed.


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