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Dried San Pedro
    #3330567 - 11/07/04 07:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm thinking about buying some dried San Pedro. The site that is offering this (www.shamansplace.com) has them hallowed out (Coreless) and I was just wondering, if I were to want to burn some in my charcoal burner, then about how much would be considered a reasonable amount?  I've read many times that 12 inches of wet San Pedro is good, but since this is dried and coreless, what am I looking at?  20 inches? Maybe more/less? Now, on the site, your buying it in weight, not size and so how much would 12 inches of dried, coreless San Pedro weigh (it can just be a rough estimate, nothing exact)?  Thank You :smile:




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Re: Dried San Pedro [Re: theocean06]
    #3331148 - 11/07/04 10:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

By weight you could figure this out if you looked up the essence concentrations per weight of material. I found the value of 2% of san pedro essence per dry weight, or .12% san pedro essence per wet weight. So, you'll want atleast 1g of essence for 2 sessions if you're sharing with someone else. Math that follows says:
?g of dry cactus = 1g essence x 100g dry cactus /2g dry essence = 50g dry cactus

so 25g of cactus for one session.

.2% and .12% Concentrations from Plants of the Gods and Friedberg, Claudine. 1959 "Rapport sur une mission au Perou..." Travaux de l'Institut Francais d'Etudes Andines


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Re: Dried San Pedro [Re: neuro]
    #3331337 - 11/07/04 11:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

This isn't based on experience or math, but from what I've heard dry peruvian torch can be good at a 25 to 50g amount. Pachanoi however sounds to require a bit more. more like 50-100 grams. Again, it's just what I've read.


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Re: Dried San Pedro [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3331464 - 11/07/04 11:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It sometimes can be that high depending on the conditions in which its been grown, the age, and things like that. Generally for me I've had good effects from 35g-40g of cacti, but generally it's good to start with that ammount, an acid base extraction would yield more mesc molecule per molecule than tea so one would get closer to the literature values.


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Re: Dried San Pedro [Re: theocean06]
    #3334516 - 11/08/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It took a while tofind this info from an earlier post that I had made, but here it goes.


It's rather easy to estimate the amount of mescaline in a cactus.

Here is the info from Erowid that I use to guide my doses.

Oral mescaline HCl dosages
Threshold 100 mg
Light 100 - 200 mg
Common 200 - 300 mg
Strong 300 - 500 mg
Heavy 500 - 700 mg


Lophophora williamsii - 300 mg / 27 g dried material
Trichocerus peruvianus - 300 mg / 15 to 100 grams dried material (.3% - 2.0%)
Trichocerus pachanoi - 300 mg / 15 to 100 grams grams dried material (.3% - 2.0%)

I usually go with about 50 dried grams.
Using the mean between .3% and 2% of 1.15%, theoretically that makes my doses around 575 mg.
But they could be anywhere from 150mg to a staggering 1grm. Notice that I'm not erring on the side of caution. I deffinately want to trip. You may want to adjust you dosage to make sure that you will be comfortable with what you are going to experience.

Here are the LD50 doses for rats, mice, and guinea pigs.
LD50 crystals : 212 mg/kg i.p.(mice)
LD50 crystals : 132 mg/kg i.p. (rats)
LD50 crystals : 328 mg/kg i.p.(guinea pigs)

Using the LD50 for rats(because it is the lowest) to estimate my LD50(I know it doesn't really work this way but I'm doing it just for a very rough estimate), I would need to consume 13.771 grams of pure mescaline to kill half a population of rats my size.


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Re: Dried San Pedro [Re: theocean06]
    #3346320 - 11/11/04 01:29 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

That shamansplace makes it expensive. But this is always a good infrequent way to dose without defacing ones own cacti population.


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