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Offlinephi1618
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Libertarians and the environment
    #3326526 - 11/06/04 02:31 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There are alot of things about the libertarian school of political thought that I like. I don't buy the "initiation of force" doctrine that is frequently used to justify it, but I think that the basic notion that people should be able to make decisions for themselves is a good one.


Nonetheless, I have a number of reservations.


On of these is the "tragedy of the commons".

What are some of the libertarians on this boards opinions on the proper maintainance of, for example:

1) ocean fish stocks
2) water pollution
3) local and regional air polution - particulates, SO3, NOx, etc.
4) global air polution - CO2, CFCs


I want a practical program that will prevent, or at least properly price, abuse of these shared resources.


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Re: Libertarians and the environment [Re: phi1618]
    #3326774 - 11/06/04 05:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldn't drawing up measures to prevent the corporate destruction of fish stocks, air quality be an "initiation of force" against their right to make profit?


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Re: Libertarians and the environment [Re: Xlea321]
    #3326922 - 11/06/04 08:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed. While Libertarianism sounds dandy in theory, in practice there are all kinds of problems.

The current wave of pro-Libertarianism on the net is due to anti-social geeks who've never truly interacted with a society. Let us hope that future generations of geeks and nerds are more integrated in society. Do your part to fight greed and selfishness, adopt a geek today.


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Re: Libertarians and the environment [Re: phi1618]
    #3326983 - 11/06/04 09:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

In addition to what phi said, there will also be problems with nuclear waste (yes, I understand it's going to be cut back under libertarianism, but we already have a lot of waste that needs to be dealt with).

And also deforestation.


Libertariansim has, without doubt, some of the worst environmental 'policies' of any political party. #1 reason I didn't vote for Badnarik.


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Re: Libertarians and the environment [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3327341 - 11/06/04 01:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


The current wave of pro-Libertarianism on the net is due to anti-
social geeks

I'm an anti-social dork, NOT a geek.  Thank you very much.
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Re: Libertarians and the environment [Re: Xlea321]
    #3327386 - 11/06/04 01:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldn't drawing up measures to prevent the corporate destruction of fish stocks, air quality be an "initiation of force" against their right to make profit?

show me where a libertarian has claimed that anyone has a right to make a profit.

no one has a right to make a profit. they have a right to attempt to earn a profit, and then only if they do so without initiating force or fraud against other people. they don't have a right to succeed.


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Re: Libertarians and the environment [Re: phi1618]
    #3327394 - 11/06/04 01:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the libertarian approach to environmental issues is a market approach. environmental resources are owned and traded. they are assigned dollar values. i think that this is not a very practical approach. the earth is too complicated for us to simply let market forces entirely dictate environmental policy. for a market approach to work, we'd have to understand the earth a hell of a lot better. even then, it would be difficult.


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